Hank Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 Just now, hazek said: Yes, indeed: This is nearly useless for explaining the technique how to land. Correct! You must be taught how to land by actually landing a real airplane, with a Flight Instructor. Reading abiut it will simply let you know what to expect to see and do, but it is impossible to describe "increasing back pressure on the control wheel," It must npbe demonstrated and then performed, and in multiple attempts you will learn what to expect from the plane in the current loading and weather. As you gain experience with varying loading and weather scenarios, you can look at this and understand. The Owners Manual of the airplane does not teach you how to fly any more than the Owners Manual for your car taught you how to drive.
hazek Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 28 minutes ago, Hank said: but it is impossible to describe "increasing back pressure on the control wheel," And yet the jacobson flare does exactly that. How interesting, right?
midlifeflyer Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 5 hours ago, hazek said: Given that I’m not a native speaker I was worried I may be incorrectly using these words, but I have confirmed I’m not. From the dictionary: Personal skill (via “skill”): Individual ability to apply knowledge effectively in performance, dexterity in tasks, or learned competence/apptitude. Vs. technique: Method or manner of executing details/movements, body of methods, or specific approach to an aim. Vs. procedure: Ordered series of steps, particular/traditional way of acting, or a step therein. Key distinctions: Skill emphasizes personal proficiency; technique, the execution methods; procedure, the structured sequences. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skill https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/technique https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/procedure I’ll go with those distinctions. Just recognize that the differences can sometimes be fuzzy rather than bright lines.
Jackk Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 14 hours ago, midlifeflyer said: It’s that way in civilian GA as well, although some don’t recognize the distinction and think their technique is procedure. When a technique really sucks, changing it should be procedure Having to finger your iPad during critical stages of flight to get info that right in front of you on your panel is not “technique” it’s simply not being familiar or proficient with your avionics
midlifeflyer Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Jackk said: When a technique really sucks, changing it should be procedure Having to finger your iPad during critical stages of flight to get info that right in front of you on your panel is not “technique” it’s simply not being familiar or proficient with your avionics I'm sorry, but your repeated refrain that "having an procedure chart available while flying a procedure is a terrible thing" is getting to be a bore. Bye. 3
Jackk Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 31 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said: I'm sorry, but your repeated refrain that "having an procedure chart available while flying a procedure is a terrible thing" is getting to be a bore. Bye. I’m sorry understanding IFR and your systems bores you, maybe stick to VFR? What exactly are you needing to stare at a plate for once it’s all in the box and mins are set? It’s not terrible, it’s just showing a lack of understanding. If your avionics also show altitudes like many of the quasi modern stuff does, once you verify what you have programmed off the iPad, you don’t need to be looking at the thing anymore. It’s like the guys who have a huge iPad strapped to the yoke, nearly blocking half the panel, uhhhh ok
redbaron1982 Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Jackk said: I’m sorry understanding IFR and your systems bores you, maybe stick to VFR? What exactly are you needing to stare at a plate for once it’s all in the box and mins are set? It’s not terrible, it’s just showing a lack of understanding. If your avionics also show altitudes like many of the quasi modern stuff does, once you verify what you have programmed off the iPad, you don’t need to be looking at the thing anymore. It’s like the guys who have a huge iPad strapped to the yoke, nearly blocking half the panel, uhhhh ok I have my IPad pro with Velcro on top of my steam gauges. Now with GP pilot I have synthetic vision and can fly down to minimum (and a little more) without anything else. My SOP is after being cleared for the approach I stick my iPad on the panel and fly it all the way to land using the syn vision. I don't even need a radar altimeter because I get AGL altitude using the GPS. 1 5
Andy95W Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 3 hours ago, Jackk said: I’m sorry understanding IFR and your systems bores you, maybe stick to VFR? I’ve been a professional pilot a long time and our SOPs include having the approach plate available while flying the approach. Paper charts on a yoke clip 25 years ago, iPad in its holder today. All altitudes and data loaded and visible in the FMS. But I wonder, do you realize that most Mooney owners/pilots here don’t have an FMS that shows that data? Then I have to wonder if you realize you’re picking a fight with a well liked and respected MooneySpace member who is also a longtime CFI-I. You, on the other hand, haven’t been a member very long and you’ve been a braggart since your first week here. Then add in the fact that you’ve never talked about flying a Mooney, your profile says “Skywagon”, the Reg # listed (N44114ed) doesn’t exist, and (N44114) is a Taylorcraft. Why exactly should we listen to your opinions and no others? 3 1
Will.iam Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 1 hour ago, redbaron1982 said: I have my IPad pro with Velcro on top of my steam gauges. Now with GP pilot I have synthetic vision and can fly down to minimum (and a little more) without anything else. My SOP is after being cleared for the approach I stick my iPad on the panel and fly it all the way to land using the syn vision. I don't even need a radar altimeter because I get AGL altitude using the GPS. Hell yea brother! For TOGA, ipad is voice activated! Hey siri go-around TOGA! don’t even have to take your hands off the controls or press an extra button! Way better than those toga buttons that are sometimes placed on throttles or the instrument panel or yoke. Can’t find the button? No problem just say it! For ultimate superior aviation tools get the apple vision googles! True 0 0 vis landings way better than that crappy hud system that is archaic mono chrome color! Can you believe that shit? We got away from black and white tv’s in the 70’s and here we are still using hud’s when apple is full color high resolution!:) 1 2
exM20K Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 4 minutes ago, Will.iam said: Hell yea brother! For TOGA, ipad is voice activated! Hey siri go-around TOGA! don’t even have to take your hands off the controls or press an extra button! Way better than those toga buttons that are sometimes placed on throttles or the instrument panel or yoke. Can’t find the button? No problem just say it! For ultimate superior aviation tools get the apple vision googles! True 0 0 vis landings way better than that crappy hud system that is archaic mono chrome color! Can you believe that shit? We got away from black and white tv’s in the 70’s and here we are still using hud’s when apple is full color high resolution!:) What a bunch of pikers. What’s a go-around? Put the synthetic vision flight path marker on the TDZ, and listen for the landing height system’s “5 feet” callout for flare (well, really “flair” in this mode). Minimums are for quitters. -dan 1 3
Jackk Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 50 minutes ago, Andy95W said: I’ve been a professional pilot a long time and our SOPs include having the approach plate available while flying the approach. Paper charts on a yoke clip 25 years ago, iPad in its holder today. All altitudes and data loaded and visible in the FMS. But I wonder, do you realize that most Mooney owners/pilots here don’t have an FMS that shows that data? Then I have to wonder if you realize you’re picking a fight with a well liked and respected MooneySpace member who is also a longtime CFI-I. You, on the other hand, haven’t been a member very long and you’ve been a braggart since your first week here. Then add in the fact that you’ve never talked about flying a Mooney, your profile says “Skywagon”, the Reg # listed (N44114ed) doesn’t exist, and (N44114) is a Taylorcraft. Why exactly should we listen to your opinions and no others? Yeah, you have to have your plate (EFB/paper) handy, that said if you have a FMS or any of the quasi modern avionics like the GTN services to the G500/600/1000 it will show you the waypoints and altitudes like a FMS, not sure how that is on your airbus, but it is similar to the Boeing. I think I said that like 5 times. Going forward most all of the NAVs you’d get new these days for a Mooney would have that data. Being liked on a Internet forum or a II doesn’t really change anything Braggart? Hardly, no more so than you did saying you’re a long time pro pilot, or saying how someone is well liked or not. But that’s got nothing to do with anything anyways Do you see a N number in that? That’s not what a 44114 is. Listen to all the opinions, that said if you have all the data on your navigator, you briefed the box with your iPad, not much of a reason to look at the iPad till maybe taxi shy of something changing or accidentally deleting something, especially in the arrival and approach phase of flight, again something i said about a million times already. BTW impressive going from the Saab to the 320
Hank Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 10 minutes ago, Jackk said: That’s not what a 44114 is. This is not a public FAA website, and isn't connected to any FAA databases. If you don't want to show your name, location or N number, just don't list them. There's no need to be cryptic or superior about it. Many of us are tired of being arrogantly lectured about how you use your superior avionics, and that we are all uneducated weenies if we dare to think that there's more than just your way to skin this particular cat . . . .
Jackk Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Hank said: This is not a public FAA website, and isn't connected to any FAA databases. If you don't want to show your name, location or N number, just don't list them. There's no need to be cryptic or superior about it. Many of us are tired of being arrogantly lectured about how you use your superior avionics, and that we are all uneducated weenies if we dare to think that there's more than just your way to skin this particular cat . . . . Huh? The guy I was responding do only lists the last 3 of his N number too, what’s your point? Also you have “Gender Not Telling” so… Superior avionics??? Oh Lordy…Dude for I don’t know how many times, the altitude readout is STANDARD ON NEARLY ALL CURRENT MODEL NAVIGATORS. I have seen GTNs in $110ish hr rental Cessna 150s pete sakes And for I don’t know how many times, yes, lots of ways you can do it, you could also write all the altitudes and mins on your windscreen with women’s lipstick, just there are better ways to do things too. I very simply stated a preferred way to use a quasi modern navigator and mentioned a way many iPad pilots could do better. It’s not rocket surgery Edited January 3 by Jackk
Justin Schmidt Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, Jackk said: Huh? The guy I was responding do only lists the last 3 of his N number too, what’s your point? Also you have “Gender Not Telling” so… Superior avionics??? Oh Lordy…Dude for I don’t know how many times, the altitude readout is STANDARD ON NEARLY ALL CURRENT MODEL NAVIGATORS. I have seen GTNs in $110ish hr rental Cessna 150s pete sakes And for I don’t know how many times, yes, lots of ways you can do it, you could also write all the altitudes and mins on your windscreen with women’s lipstick, just there are better ways to do things too. I very simply stated a preferred way to use a quasi modern navigator and mentioned a way many iPad pilots could do better. It’s not rocket surgery Dude...or im starting to think you are my ex wife. Most ga still has steam gages and many have basic old or no gps. Most still have 430s. Not all are the gods gift to aviation as you lord of lords and can afford the newest avionics
Jackk Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, Justin Schmidt said: Dude...or im starting to think you are my ex wife. Most ga still has steam gages and many have basic old or no gps. Most still have 430s. Not all are the gods gift to aviation as you lord of lords and can afford the newest avionics So then it doesn’t apply to you lol
LANCECASPER Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 3 hours ago, Andy95W said: Then add in the fact that you’ve never talked about flying a Mooney, your profile says “Skywagon”, the Reg # listed (N44114ed) doesn’t exist, and (N44114) is a Taylorcraft. Plus why does @Jackk feel the need to include "ed" in his profile? If he has erectile dysfunction that's between him and his urologist. We don't need to know about that. (Although that might explain why he's so irritable.) 1
Bartman Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 The ignore function worked well for the first couple of days, but today is just as bad because I still see all of the replies. I might have to put all y'all on ignore. 3
TaildraggerPilot Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 On 12/31/2025 at 8:32 PM, Jackk said: What are you on? So you have nothing? Gotcha The Gryder thing is also telling too, often the hobby pilots don’t like him because other hobby pilots don’t like him and can’t articulate their position. Damn shame the lack of independent thought these days, almost as bad as how sensitive and useless many have become I think it’s past time for you to step away from this message thread
Rwsavory Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 Replying to this troll is like wrestling a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it.
LANCECASPER Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Rwsavory said: Replying to this troll is like wrestling a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it. Is there are echo in here .. lol?
Jackk Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bartman said: The ignore function worked well for the first couple of days, but today is just as bad because I still see all of the replies. I might have to put all y'all on ignore. You should censor your views more, lest you have to think 1 hour ago, Rwsavory said: Replying to this troll is like wrestling a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it. Nah, I gave good advise, some folks said both stupid and insulting comments, sorry but not sorry, I don’t back down when I am in the right Edited January 4 by Jackk
Jackk Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 1 minute ago, bluehighwayflyer said: @Jackk, I don’t post here very often anymore, but I’ll be blunt. No one here appreciates your contributions. In real life, you are probably a swell guy and, as fellow pilots, we would probably all get along famously. But your posts here all have a superior, condescending, and confrontational tone. I am a long time Mooney owner, but only a recreational pilot. Many here, however, have flying qualifications equal to or exceeding your own. Ratings alone will not earn any respect here. Please either make an effort to respect the opinions of the other members here or just go away. If you read this whole thread and have that opinion, I doubt your experience is much. Have you read the whole thread?
TaildraggerPilot Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, Jackk said: If you read this whole thread and have that opinion, I doubt your experience is much. Have you read the whole thread? Your insults are getting tiresome. Why don’t you just let it go and get some fresh air. 1
Jackk Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 So I feel I’m punching down on this thing, for those who can read and comprehend my multiple and simply stated briefs on how to brief your box, if it has altitudes on it, I’d advise you take. For the rest, I’ll leave it be, enjoy your Denny’s discount and new balances
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