Hank Posted October 13 Report Posted October 13 59 minutes ago, EricJ said: If your fuel selector isn't super easy for you to manipulate, practice doing so quickly so that you get muscle memory for that task. Many people swear by a tool made.from PVC pipe and notched to fit over the fuel selector, with the handle end either an L or T to suit pilot preference and storage location. Make the length and handle style to suit yourself. Or learn to lean down and turn it by hand. By the time you finish your insurance dual, you should be pretty proficient; i switch mine on the ground after engine start to ensure that it's trouble-free, then check it's on the fullest tank for takeoff, and again every hour in cruise.
Freddb34 Posted October 14 Author Report Posted October 14 16 hours ago, Hank said: Many people swear by a tool made.from PVC pipe and notched to fit over the fuel selector, with the handle end either an L or T to suit pilot preference and storage location. Make the length and handle style to suit yourself. Or learn to lean down and turn it by hand. By the time you finish your insurance dual, you should be pretty proficient; i switch mine on the ground after engine start to ensure that it's trouble-free, then check it's on the fullest tank for takeoff, and again every hour in cruise. I know a guy who did that! He tool a socket and notched it to fit the selector, then used a 45 socket adapter and 6" extension and ratchet and made it so he wouldn't have to bend forward. I may make something a bit simpler out of PVC as you suggested. Thanks!
Echo Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 I think not using your hand to feel the fuel selector,is absolutely wrong. relying on a tool is not a good way to go for safety of flight operation imo. Whether because it is to "hard" to move or because you are to gutenabled. Bad form.
midlifeflyer Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 9 hours ago, Echo said: I think not using your hand to feel the fuel selector,is absolutely wrong. relying on a tool is not a good way to go for safety of flight operation imo. Whether because it is to "hard" to move or because you are to gutenabled. Bad form. I’m curious. Do you use a screwdriver to drive and remove screws or your fingernails? I personally have no problem bending down and changing tanks by hand, but what’s wrong with using a tool to help reach? 2
Jim Peace Posted October 16 Report Posted October 16 5 hours ago, midlifeflyer said: I’m curious. Do you use a screwdriver to drive and remove screws or your fingernails? I personally have no problem bending down and changing tanks by hand, but what’s wrong with using a tool to help reach? I just have my girlfriend do it for me.....it's her JOB.... 1 2
Freddb34 Posted October 21 Author Report Posted October 21 Hey all! The AP just completed the flight test and it didn't skip a beat. Now all I have to do is write a fat check! And then I get to bring her home!! 2 1
IvanP Posted October 21 Report Posted October 21 29 minutes ago, Freddb34 said: Hey all! The AP just completed the flight test and it didn't skip a beat. Now all I have to do is write a fat check! And then I get to bring her home!! Did your AP figure out what was the cause of the problem? Enjoy your new toy in good health!
LANCECASPER Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 Hey all! The AP just completed the flight test and it didn't skip a beat. Now all I have to do is write a fat check! And then I get to bring her home!! Congrats, that looks a lot better than last time!
Freddb34 Posted October 22 Author Report Posted October 22 13 hours ago, IvanP said: Did your AP figure out what was the cause of the problem? Enjoy your new toy in good health! Thanks and yes. There was some sediment built up into clumps that once the tank was completely drained and dried out, turned into a silty powder. They got it all out by flushing it several times until it was cleaned. Just happy to have my plane back and bring it south. 1 1
Freddb34 Posted October 22 Author Report Posted October 22 10 hours ago, LANCECASPER said: Congrats, that looks a lot better than last time! I was watching him as he flew it. Said it didn't skip a beat the whole time. I will take it up for a test flight of at least an hour before we make our way south with it. Thanks! 3
Flyler Posted October 22 Report Posted October 22 It will be a huge relief to have it back at home safe and sound. Really glad to hear it! 1
takair Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 Per a post on Beach Talk, this may not have ended well. Thoughts and prayers are with those involved. Something went wrong at Saratoga Springs with the aircraft discussed in this thread. 2
LANCECASPER Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 12 minutes ago, takair said: Per a post on Beach Talk, this may not have ended well. Thoughts and prayers are with those involved. Something went wrong at Saratoga Springs with the aircraft discussed in this thread. https://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=242286 https://www.news10.com/news/saratoga-county/plane-crashes-near-saratoga-county-airport/ https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/561073 The seller had the engine cut out a couple of days before the new owner came to pick it up and didn't disclose it. By not disclosing what happened days before it changed hands he opened himself up to a huge liability. Then immediately after delivery the buyer had it cut out right after take-off and made it back to the airport safely. At that point the Seller fessed up and told him what had happened days earlier. Earlier in this thread I begged the new owner to take whatever action he needed to do to rescind the deal. But he was so focused on getting it fixed and getting it home that ultimately it cost him his life. This airplane was for sale on here last year in a very sketchy ad. The next owner must have realized that he had bought a huge project and tried to make his problem somebody else's problem. Very sad outcome. 1 4
Justin Schmidt Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 6 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said: https://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=242286 https://www.news10.com/news/saratoga-county/plane-crashes-near-saratoga-county-airport/ https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/561073 The seller had the engine cut out a couple of days before the new owner came to pick it up and didn't disclose it. By not disclosing what happened days before it changed hands he opened himself up to a huge liability. Then immediately after delivery the buyer had it cut out right after take-off and made it back to the airport safely. At that point the Seller fessed up and told him what had happened days earlier. Earlier in this thread I begged the new owner to take whatever action he needed to do to rescind the deal. But he was so focused on getting it fixed and getting it home that ultimately it cost him his life. This airplane was for sale on here last year in a very sketchy ad. The next owner must have realized that he had bought a huge project and tried to make his problem somebody else's problem. Very sad outcome. Everything is speculation at this point, but I heard extremely gusty conditions. If it was a new mooney owner did they do any transition training?
hazek Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 3 hours ago, Justin Schmidt said: but I heard extremely gusty conditions. Locals on Beechtalk are saying it wasn't that bad and likely a no factor.
exM20K Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 Albany is 20 south. glens Falls is same northeast. Windy, but not enough to matter probably. -dan SPECI KALB 311456Z 25015G26KT 10SM BKN029 BKN075 11/05 A2922 RMK AO2 T01060050 METAR KALB 311451Z 24017G26KT 10SM BKN031 BKN075 11/05 A2922 RMK AO2 PK WND 25029/1426 SLP894 T01060050 50019 SPECI KALB 311417Z 26016G27KT 10SM BKN031 BKN075 11/06 A2923 RMK AO2 PK WND 24028/1353 T01060056 METAR KALB 311351Z 24017G26KT 10SM BKN027 BKN070 11/06 A2923 RMK AO2 PK WND 25030/1315 SLP897 T01110061 METAR KGFL 311453Z AUTO 25012G24KT 10SM SCT075 OVC090 11/07 A2914 RMK AO2 RAB08E40 SLP870 P0006 60018 T01060067 51014 METAR KGFL 311353Z AUTO 23010G18KT 10SM OVC065 10/08 A2914 RMK AO2 RAE28 SLP869 P0006 T01000078
Echo Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 11 hours ago, LANCECASPER said: https://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=242286 https://www.news10.com/news/saratoga-county/plane-crashes-near-saratoga-county-airport/ https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/561073 The seller had the engine cut out a couple of days before the new owner came to pick it up and didn't disclose it. By not disclosing what happened days before it changed hands he opened himself up to a huge liability. Then immediately after delivery the buyer had it cut out right after take-off and made it back to the airport safely. At that point the Seller fessed up and told him what had happened days earlier. Earlier in this thread I begged the new owner to take whatever action he needed to do to rescind the deal. But he was so focused on getting it fixed and getting it home that ultimately it cost him his life. This airplane was for sale on here last year in a very sketchy ad. The next owner must have realized that he had bought a huge project and tried to make his problem somebody else's problem. Very sad outcome. My God.
Aaviationist Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 (edited) Yesterday in the area it was pretty nasty. I would be very surprised if whoever said weather wasn’t a factor lived anywhere nearby. I happen to have been near that area driving a large van around that time. Several times strong gusts slammed into us shoving us around the lane. I can’t imagine trying to fly GA in it. someone on beech talk said they would have flown a 172 in it. That person is an idiot. Edited November 1 by Aaviationist
LANCECASPER Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 The only noise any witnesses on the ground heard was the airplane hitting the ground - no engine noise whatsoever. The recurring fuel issues that started this thread make the most sense. https://www.news10.com/news/saratoga-county/authorities-identify-victims-of-deadly-milton-plane-crash/amp/ 1
EricJ Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 Oh, man, that is so sad. Regardless of the reasons, that's just sad to see. :'( 3
donkaye, MCFI Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 I've been thinking about this accident a lot since I read about it here on Mooneyspace yesterday. In my opinion this was an accident that shouldn't have happened, no matter the ultimate physical cause. For nearly 4 weeks and 4 pages of numerous thoughts this plane and circumstance has been discussed. Some very sharp people have entered the discussion. Yet it was clear to me at least, though the OP asked for assistance in his first post, he had his heart set on flying that airplane--no matter what. I have found the instrument rating provides a close look into the personality of an individual. Personality traits are magnified and by the conclusion of that endeavor it is not difficult to identify areas that could be problematic to future flying adventures. Although certainly no psychiatrist, I like to go over the 5 hazardous attitudes and discuss any one I think might cause a potential issue for the student in the future. Obviously this needs to be done tactfully. However, in 31 years of instructing I've still had 2 former instrument students kill themselves as a result of the hazardous attitudes I discussed with them. One was "resignation" and the other was "anti-authority". If I were to hazard a guess at this one, it would be a combination of a small dose of "impulsivity" mixed with a large dose of "invulnerability". I hope the lesson of this tragedy, is that we all carefully look through the lens of the 5 hazardous attitudes before we push the throttle forward. 9
LANCECASPER Posted November 1 Report Posted November 1 3 minutes ago, donkaye, MCFI said: I've been thinking about this accident a lot since I read about it here on Mooneyspace yesterday. In my opinion this was an accident that shouldn't have happened, no matter the ultimate physical cause. For nearly 4 weeks and 4 pages of numerous thoughts this plane and circumstance has been discussed. Some very sharp people have entered the discussion. Yet it was clear to me at least, though the OP asked for assistance in his first post, he had his heart set on flying that airplane--no matter what. I have found the instrument rating provides a close look into the personality of an individual. Personality traits are magnified and by the conclusion of that endeavor it is not difficult to identify areas that could be problematic to future flying adventures. Although certainly no psychiatrist, I like to go over the 5 hazardous attitudes and discuss any one I think might cause a potential issue for the student in the future. Obviously this needs to be done tactfully. However, in 31 years of instructing I've still had 2 students kill themselves as a result of the hazardous attitudes I discussed with them. One was "resignation" and the other was "anti-authority". If I were to hazard a guess at this one, it would be a combination of a small dose of "impulsivity" mixed with a large dose of "invulnerability". I hope the lesson of this tragedy, is that we all carefully look through the lens of the 5 hazardous attitudes before we push the throttle forward.
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