Flyler Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 Great video, thanks for posting. There's something extra comforting about Janice making the videos from the right seat. Gives that "instructor" feel. 2 Quote
PT20J Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 This is a terrific video on actually landing a Mooney. Besides speed control, the main problem I see with some pilot’s landings is they pull the power to idle (usually a little too high and too fast) and then wrestling the plane to the ground with the elevators alone. There are really four controls that need to be coordinated for a good landing: elevator, ailerons, rudder, and throttle. Also, she doesn’t get a lot of pitch up on the go arounds because she goes to takeoff flaps immediately after adding power and before climbing out of ground effect. It’s really a great demonstration of control of the airplane to make it do exactly what she wants it to do. 1 Quote
dkkim73 Posted June 20 Report Posted June 20 I love this video. I can't believe I haven't come across this instructor before. She's so technically-specific, clearly-spoken, and artful in the flying. Big bonus that this translates exactly to my airplane. Inertia, speeds, etc. Also just watching the dynamics. I've wondered if I'm "working" the controls too much (a la C-172 and taildraggers), but I see she does the same to respond to the gusts and to "feel" the dynamics of the airplane. The prelude with the discussion of stability seems odd at first, but is totally on-point. Some of the ground-effect work reminds me of Don's comments on the importance of certain drills in building comfort with soft-field and crosswind landings. Thank you for sharing! Big help for long body newbies like me. Quote
skykrawler Posted June 20 Author Report Posted June 20 These seem to be new videos (weeks old) from a 'startup' YouTube channel. Deserves some thumbs up and subscribers. https://www.youtube.com/@winginit-mooney 1 Quote
NickG Posted June 20 Report Posted June 20 Yes, her videos are excellent! I was going to post them here but @skykrawlerbeat me to it ! Great videos! Wish I had her math skills (and technical prowess), 2 Quote
Will.iam Posted June 20 Report Posted June 20 18 hours ago, PT20J said: This is a terrific video on actually landing a Mooney. Besides speed control, the main problem I see with some pilot’s landings is they pull the power to idle (usually a little too high and too fast) and then wrestling the plane to the ground with the elevators alone. There are really four controls that need to be coordinated for a good landing: elevator, ailerons, rudder, and throttle. Also, she doesn’t get a lot of pitch up on the go arounds because she goes to takeoff flaps immediately after adding power and before climbing out of ground effect. It’s really a great demonstration of control of the airplane to make it do exactly what she wants it to do. That is the nice thing about later model mooneys is the fact you can set for 10 degrees of flaps and they will retract to that setting and stop where as my flap button i have to manually stop it at an estimated 10 degrees and trying to focus on that is too much attention taken away from the other flying duties. So i just go around by increasing power and trimming the aircraft for that increase in power alone. There is more than enough power even with the gear and flaps out to climb. While climbing i retract the gear and by the time I’m trimmed with enough down trim i have to start pulling on the yoke to keep the nose from dropping i start raising the flaps. I’m a couple of hundred feet up in the air by this time and as the flaps come up it washes out the trimming nose down I’m still doing to being equal by the tine the flaps are up. Then i only need to trim as i continue to accelerate which the trim motor or manually trimming i can keep up with to avoid excessive yoke pressures i get if i try to retract the flaps first right after the throttle input. Quote
76Srat Posted Wednesday at 01:05 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 01:05 AM Love the correlation between stability and control: the more stable, the less controllable; the less stable, the more controllable. Flying is logic and she nailed the example as simply as I've ever seen it or heard it. Thanks for sharing this. Subscribed immediately. Quote
Ragsf15e Posted Wednesday at 04:23 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 04:23 AM The video seems well done, however I threw up in my mouth a little when she mentioned the F-16 during the stability discussion and the video shows an F-15. I’ll try to finish it later because I did like it up until that point. 5 Quote
Pinecone Posted Wednesday at 12:30 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 12:30 PM I haven't watched it yet, but I would not use the word control, but would use responsiveness. Quote
midlifeflyer Posted Wednesday at 12:40 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 12:40 PM 4 minutes ago, Pinecone said: I haven't watched it yet, but I would not use the word control, but would use responsiveness. I can't fault her for using the FAA definitions of the terms, which are not equivalent to the generic use of the words. It was something I talked about back when I was doing private pilot training because it was so easily misunderstood. Controllability. A measure of the response of an aircraft relative to the pilot's flight control inputs. Maneuverability. Ability of an aircraft to change directions along a flightpath and withstand the stresses imposed upon it. Stability. The inherent quality of an airplane to correct for conditions that may disturb its equilibrium, and to return or to continue on the original flightpath. 1 Quote
PT20J Posted Wednesday at 02:22 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 02:22 PM Engineers always talk in terms of stability and control. The classic textbook is Perkins and Hage, Airplane Performance, Stability and Control. 2 1 Quote
Pinecone Posted Wednesday at 04:35 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 04:35 PM OK< I can live with that. Quote
bixmooney Posted Wednesday at 07:03 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 07:03 PM Thank you for posting. I did not know about this instructor. Janice is awesome ! 1 Quote
dkkim73 Posted Wednesday at 07:47 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 07:47 PM 15 hours ago, Ragsf15e said: The video seems well done, however I threw up in my mouth a little when she mentioned the F-16 during the stability discussion and the video shows an F-15. I’ll try to finish it later because I did like it up until that point. Yeah, I noticed that, too. Although you could always just shut down one engine and drop your tanks and then *presto* you're an F-16! I'm actually surprised when anyone in the press doesn't mix up airplanes. You know, like the F-15's in the new Top Gun movie... 3 Quote
Rick Junkin Posted 15 hours ago Report Posted 15 hours ago 16 hours ago, dkkim73 said: Yeah, I noticed that, too. Although you could always just shut down one engine and drop your tanks and then *presto* you're an F-16! Don't forget to download 2/3 of your ordnance load too. But now i'm just being picky. Sorry for the thread drift. I also appreciate her videos. Lots of editing apparent on the ground instruction portions, presumably to ensure her presentation is to the point, accurate, and understandable. She has obviously done a lot of work to achieve this goal. Nicely done. Cheers, Rick 1 Quote
76Srat Posted 5 hours ago Report Posted 5 hours ago I was also laughing at what must have been quite a sight by any onlookers watching her "ground work" when she's balancing on one of the mains each time. Can only imagine the hangar-flyers critiquing "all of those bounces", when in reality they were a masterwork of controlled inputs and great reasons for them. 1 Quote
Flyler Posted 52 minutes ago Report Posted 52 minutes ago 4 hours ago, 76Srat said: I was also laughing at what must have been quite a sight by any onlookers watching her "ground work" when she's balancing on one of the mains each time. Can only imagine the hangar-flyers critiquing "all of those bounces", when in reality they were a masterwork of controlled inputs and great reasons for them. "Wow, look at that Mooney float!" Quote
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