The Future of Internal Combustion Engine Light Aircraft - Environmental Globalists are in the control seat

[Will.iam]

8 hours ago, Mooney Dog said:

are you getting screwed with this "must use 1000KWH a month" thing as well? 

This site is by far the best site to goto to cut through all the BS credits and break points as it allows you to enter your monthly usage for all 12 months you used last year and it shows you by plan what you would pay each month by using each plan’s rules. So you know instantly which plan is best for you if you use electricity the same way next year.
https://shop.comparepower.com/enrollments/#/compare/76208/3/1000/0/0/00///0/0

for example during winter i have central gas so my electricity bill is the highest during jun july aug sep toping over 2k but all the rest of the months its between 1k and 1.5k so the plan that offers me $40 credit from 1-1.5 and $80 credit from 1.5 to 2.5 was the best for me even though the 18.1 kwh charge was higher then other plans the credit dropped it to below 16cents. Now if we go crazy one month or go on vacation that doesn’t split the cycle by 30 days then i fall out below 1k and get hit with not credits so still a gamble but the odds are in my favor ill repeat another year of appox same energy consumption.  Now that one electric company that offers free electricity during the night but charges almost double the rate during the day would be a great candidate for solar powered panels on your house that during the day you could limit the use of the grid and then at night when you need the grid for power it would be free electricity. 

[Mooney Dog]

33 minutes ago, Will.iam said:

This site is by far the best site to goto to cut through all the BS credits and break points as it allows you to enter your monthly usage for all 12 months you used last year and it shows you by plan what you would pay each month by using each plan’s rules. So you know instantly which plan is best for you if you use electricity the same way next year.
https://shop.comparepower.com/enrollments/#/compare/76208/3/1000/0/0/00///0/0

for example during winter i have central gas so my electricity bill is the highest during jun july aug sep toping over 2k but all the rest of the months its between 1k and 1.5k so the plan that offers me $40 credit from 1-1.5 and $80 credit from 1.5 to 2.5 was the best for me even though the 18.1 kwh charge was higher then other plans the credit dropped it to below 16cents. Now if we go crazy one month or go on vacation that doesn’t split the cycle by 30 days then i fall out below 1k and get hit with not credits so still a gamble but the odds are in my favor ill repeat another year of appox same energy consumption.  Now that one electric company that offers free electricity during the night but charges almost double the rate during the day would be a great candidate for solar powered panels on your house that during the day you could limit the use of the grid and then at night when you need the grid for power it would be free electricity. 

Even on that site i see those weird "tiered" rates. I rarely use more than 800KWH a month so i get slapped paying 23 an hour instead of 13 for the over 1000kwh users. 

[Will.iam]

4 minutes ago, Mooney Dog said:

Even on that site i see those weird "tiered" rates. I rarely use more than 800KWH a month so i get slapped paying 23 an hour instead of 13 for the over 1000kwh users. 

Put in your usage per month abd if all are below 1k it will give you the best carrier for under 1K that is available in your zip code. 

[Mooney Dog]

3 minutes ago, Will.iam said:

Put in your usage per month abd if all are below 1k it will give you the best carrier for under 1K that is available in your zip code. 

Ill look into it more, but man i miss my old sub 10 cents and hour rate. Thanks for the link

[A64Pilot]

At least you guys have options, my option is buy it or don’t. Pay the rate, mine is 14c. No off peak etc

 

[mike_elliott]

2 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

At least you guys have options, my option is buy it or don’t. Pay the rate, mine is 14c. No off peak etc

 

Tesla has filed a rule change for grid operators in Texas to bring households with solar panels and batteries into the state's energy market. Broad public participation should help the power operator stabilize the state's power grid. https://t.co/BKqUQPHS98

[Will.iam]

1 hour ago, mike_elliott said:

Tesla has filed a rule change for grid operators in Texas to bring households with solar panels and batteries into the state's energy market. Broad public participation should help the power operator stabilize the state's power grid. https://t.co/BKqUQPHS98

At least one company buy’s back excess energy from solor panels but it’s the only one i have found most do not. 

[mike_elliott]

Tesla's autobidder software coupled with this rule change will allow homeowners and other producers to enter the energy market without the need for energy companies to "process" the transaction. The ROI from the Hornsdale system and communities participating has been less than a year in Australia I hear, while providing the Aussies a much needed stabilization. I think this will be huge in the future. The ability to spin up additional capacity instantly when needed is a biggie with low capex to boot

[A64Pilot]

25 minutes ago, Will.iam said:

At least one company buy’s back excess energy from solor panels but it’s the only one i have found most do not. 

I wouldn’t expect them too, it’s not fair to make them, not at the rate you pay.

They are having to pay for the entire transmission and distribution, your not paying anything for it, but by selling it back your getting its use.

I’m not against Solar, just don’t think power companies should be made to buy it, unless they do so at a rate that makes sense.

If they are made to pay more that just means those without Solar are subsidizing those with it, throw in Government subsidies and it gets even flakier.

[A64Pilot]

8 minutes ago, mike_elliott said:

Tesla's autobidder software coupled with this rule change will allow homeowners and other producers to enter the energy market without the need for energy companies to "process" the transaction. The ROI from the Hornsdale system and communities participating has been less than a year in Australia I hear, while providing the Aussies a much needed stabilization. I think this will be huge in the future. The ability to spin up additional capacity instantly when needed is a biggie with low capex to boot

I don’t follow all of that but believe your referring to the huge Australian battery bank.

If so I expect that EV’s will fill that niche in the future, the storage capacity of a bazillion EV’s is huge

Edited May 24, 2022 by A64Pilot

[mike_elliott]

it's better than that, anyone with energy storage can participate as a mini utility. Peaker plants cost a huge amount to build, maintain, operate, staff and spin up, where this concept is truly distributed

https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/tesla-software/autobidder

 

 

 

[A64Pilot]

I assume it requires the power provider to be willing to buy back the power?

Solar produces during daylight of course, and I assume that when peak demand is, if so then there is logic in selling excess Solar.

But batteries are usually though of as night time sources of electricity, but nights are off peak, why would a utility want to buy power off peak?

I thought the idea of Grid Tie was to keep from having to have an expensive battery bank?

I lived for four years on a cruising boat and most of our power was from Solar, stored in a 660AH battery bank, Batteries are big $$$ and have a lifespan depending on cycle depth of about 5 years if well cared for, LifePo4 ought to be twice that, but it’s going to be hard to make money I think with Tesla powerwalls, when you consider likely lifespan of 10 years.

I’ve looked into a Tesla solar roof as I’m facing about a 30K roof replacement in a couple of years, but at $22 a square foot it’s over 100K or a difference of 70K because I’d be spending that on a roof anyway, I think but am not sure that includes requisite number of Powerwalls. But other than a back up for Hurricanes, what does Powerwalls give me?

 

This is what I think may somewhat replace peaker plants

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/40695/the-electric-ford-f-150-can-power-your-entire-house-for-three-days-on-a-single-charge

Edited May 24, 2022 by A64Pilot

[mike_elliott]

52 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

I assume it requires the power provider to be willing to buy back the power?

Solar produces during daylight of course, and I assume that when peak demand is, if so then there is logic in selling excess Solar.

But batteries are usually though of as night time sources of electricity, but nights are off peak, why would a utility want to buy power off peak?

I thought the idea of Grid Tie was to keep from having to have an expensive battery bank?

I lived for four years on a cruising boat and most of our power was from Solar, stored in a 660AH battery bank, Batteries are big $$$ and have a lifespan depending on cycle depth of about 5 years if well cared for, LifePo4 ought to be twice that, but it’s going to be hard to make money I think with Tesla powerwalls, when you consider likely lifespan of 10 years.

I’ve looked into a Tesla solar roof as I’m facing about a 30K roof replacement in a couple of years, but at $22 a square foot it’s over 100K or a difference of 70K because I’d be spending that on a roof anyway, I think but am not sure that includes requisite number of Powerwalls. But other than a back up for Hurricanes, what does Powerwalls give me?

 

This is what I think may somewhat replace peaker plants

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/40695/the-electric-ford-f-150-can-power-your-entire-house-for-three-days-on-a-single-charge

With the autobidder software, you can sell it to me directly, avoiding Duke or whomever you have in your part of Florida that is pushing their lobbyist to pass HB1024. (In a nutshell, power companys give you .25 for what they charge you 1.0 for vs the 1-1 currently) Batteries work during the day also as a source of electricity  Thinking of them as a nighttime source is not thinking of how they can assist the Dukes, Florida Power etc avoid the huge cost of peaker plants. Heck, we have a power plant up at Crystal river we are paying for on every months bill that hasnt produced a KW of juice and never will.

Lith Iron batteries are well suited for this purpose with the durn near unlimited discharge cycles and dont require all that

Yep you would need a way to store excess energy to sell to others, and right now, batteries are it. Using the high energy batteries that cars require might be counter productive because of the charge/discharge impact. Otherwise, why wouldn't FEMA just have the big guy mandate all school busses be electric and use those for insta power when needed for hurricanes? (Still not a bad concept if using the right battery chemistry)

Anyway, lets see what Mary Bara, you know, the leader, has as a competing product

 

[A64Pilot]

If you look into it, LifePo4 having about half the power density of Li-ion has a much longer cycle life and is way safer than Li-ion. The greater size and weight isn’t the disadvantage for a stationary battery that it is for an EV.

Li-ion doesn’t have anything near an unlimited cycle life, depending on depth of discharge and SOC level you stop charging NMC batteries are doing good to get 2,000 cycles, you can increase that number significantly by not fully charging or discharging, We only use 33% of our battery daily, I stop charge at 66% and it’s discharged to 33% daily, so I only use the middle third, this should greatly extend cycle life.

https://www.onecharge.biz/blog/lfp-lithium-batteries-live-longer-than-nmc/

I’d normally take a pic, but this link shows cycle like based on depth of discharge for NMC (Aka Li-ion) and LFP (Aka LifePo4) NMC is the most common Li-ion EV chemistry 

Look at the chart just under the yellow note

https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries

I know batteries work in the day, but as they exist to charge from Solar if during the day it makes more sense to sell the power directly from the Solar, but if your selling Solar, your not charging the battery.

Only logical use for batteries that I can see is to charge them when power is cheap and sell it back when it’s expensive, if the difference is great enough to pay for the batteries. That’s where an EV could come in as a big battery bank, some of these planned EV’s have huge batteries.

Edited May 24, 2022 by A64Pilot

[OZMOONEYMAN]

On 5/16/2022 at 8:10 AM, OZMOONEYMAN said:

Who is worried about the future of general aviation internal combustion engine aircraft?

I have concerns about what the future holds with regard to avgas burning light craft.  The two biggest concerns are what will the future valuations look like if fuel prices rise dramatically and also the cost of operation.

Car manufactures are pivoting to electric at a rapid pace with HUGE agendas for close to total electrification by 2030 for many.   Both GM and Ford (among the other big guys ) are really rolling out the agenda.

Will governments push their populations into car electrification by huge gasoline fuel prices increases with knock on effects for light aircraft?

Will existing internal combustion light aircraft give way to newer electric aircraft, with an off the cliff dive of light aircraft prices as demand dries up?

Interested in any informed predictions and timelines...

On 5/16/2022 at 8:10 AM, OZMOONEYMAN said:

Who is worried about the future of general aviation internal combustion engine aircraft?

I have concerns about what the future holds with regard to avgas burning light craft.  The two biggest concerns are what will the future valuations look like if fuel prices rise dramatically and also the cost of operation.

Car manufactures are pivoting to electric at a rapid pace with HUGE agendas for close to total electrification by 2030 for many.   Both GM and Ford (among the other big guys ) are really rolling out the agenda.

Will governments push their populations into car electrification by huge gasoline fuel prices increases with knock on effects for light aircraft?

Will existing internal combustion light aircraft give way to newer electric aircraft, with an off the cliff dive of light aircraft prices as demand dries up?

Interested in any informed predictions and timelines...

 

 

 

[OZMOONEYMAN]

On 5/17/2022 at 7:01 AM, OZMOONEYMAN said:

Right now I believe 194 member countries of the WHO are about to sign a 'Global Pandemic Treaty'.  Don't be surprised if USA falls to the globalists NWO very soon.

 

 

 

[OZMOONEYMAN]

On 5/17/2022 at 11:44 PM, carusoam said:

Everybody is required to worry about this topic…. Until…

Reality strikes….

Reality is tough…

If you fret about the future…. You probably won’t be able to own an airplane, boat, truck, or sailboat…

 

Somebody cured the 100LL problem decades ago…. Nobody seemed to care….

Somebody cured the 100LL problem years ago…. That solution didn’t spread…

Somebody has the most recent solution to the 100LL problem… anyone know where it’s at lately?  Is it at my airport?

 

Somebody once said… this too shall pass….

Some parts of the world still use coal for simply heating their homes…. As inefficiently as possible….

 

Please bring the solutions…. Otherwise it doesn’t make much of an interesting discussion…

Flaps, or no flaps, when taking off with UL100….?

What else is going on in NZ?

If GA airplanes are the only problem… everything is good!

 

-a-

 

[OZMOONEYMAN]