1967 Mooney M20F Panel upgrade

[Jesse20]

Hi Guys,Question I have a 67F and I a would like to put a later model panel on my plane I am going glass panel and need more panel space to fit my iPads. below are images of my existing panel which is more circular the brown panel,image number 2 is the panel that I would like to put on my 67F it’s more square on the top so again is this possible or would I need to modify the airframe or wind shield to add a later model panel to my plane

I also have the 201 conversion windshield.

 

thanks 

Jesse 

image 1 my pane

 

 

Edited November 20, 2021 by Jesse20

[DCarlton]

8 minutes ago, Jesse20 said:

Hi Guys,Question I have a 67F and I a would like to put a later model panel on my plane I am going glass panel and need more panel space to fit my iPads. below are images of my existing panel which is more circular the brown panel,image number 2 is the panel that I would like to put on my 67F it’s more square on the top so again is this possible or would I need to modify the airframe or wind shield to add a later model panel to my plane

I also have the 201 conversion windshield.

 

thanks 

Jesse 

image 1 my pane

 

 

Would appreciate the details if you figure it out.  I have a '67F too.  I'm mostly satisfied with my avionics but would like to replace the sheetmetal and improve the layout.  I've seen some conversions that don't look that well executed and some that look great.    

[47U]

5 hours ago, Jesse20 said:

is this possible or would I need to modify the airframe or wind shield to add a later model panel to my plane

Contact John Breda… @M20F-1968

Installing the panel you desire will be a major undertaking.

[Bob E]

Don't forget to check the separate Avionics / Panel discussion forum here - lots of ideas and suggestions.

[BRBENNETT]

There are STC kits out there.  When I bought M20F, it had one installed from Southwest Texas Aviation, https://www.swta.net.  I upgraded my avionics and had a new front panel cut.  Attached is a current picture of my setup.  My picture cut off the right side of the panel of which are circuit breakers.

 

 

[Jesse20]

Thanks guys this is what I am going for, the IPads that will fit on my current panel is 11inch and I would like to put a 12.9 inch pro 

[Niko182]

Youll need an engine monitor of some sort.

[Jesse20]

Yes guardian avionics sells a kit for iPads it’s that you are able to see all that information 

[markgrue]

10 minutes ago, Jesse20 said:

Yes guardian avionics sells a kit for iPads it’s that you are able to see all that information 

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you can use an IPad for a required instrument in a certified aircraft. 

 

Mark 

[Jesse20]

You are correct the iPads will be displaying the information off the GI275 and the GNX 650XI those would be my primary instruments the iPads are showing me that information this kit is for certified airplanes 

[Shadrach]

10 minutes ago, markgrue said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you can use an IPad for a required instrument in a certified aircraft. 

 

Mark 

Either the aircraft is certified for IFR or it isn’t. An iPad can be used as an aid it situational awareness but not as a primary instrument. To my surprise, the DPE in my area allows students to use geo referenced approach plates on an an iPad for check rides.

[markgrue]

Actually I was referring to the engine instruments.   

 

Mark 

[Jesse20]

I totally agree but if I get electrical failure the iPads will still work and GI 275 will still work the G3X will not work it will turn off plus I get a bigger screen dual screens for the fraction of the price

 

Jesse

Edited November 21, 2021 by Jesse20

[Niko182]

6 hours ago, Jesse20 said:

Yes guardian avionics sells a kit for iPads it’s that you are able to see all that information 

Youd still need to have primary gauges.

[Bob E]

iPads are great, but you can't use one as a primary instrument in a certificated aircraft.  Use an iPad as an EFB and moving map to display route, weather, and ADS-B information.

Also, keep in mind that even the brightest iPad (the mini) is nowhere near as bright as instruments designed to be panel-mounted. If the sun is shining directly on your iPad it may be almost impossible to see.

Otherwise, I agree with JohnZ.

[hammdo]

Ever had an iPad totally freeze up and not reboot (even with a hard reset) while in flight IFR? I did and thankfully my CFI had hers. Its not a question of if but when it will freeze. 

-Don 

 

[David Lloyd]

Don, I've said for years, it isn't a matter of if, but when something will fail.  If it is used on or in an airplane, sooner or later it will malfunction.