At it again....

[xcrmckenna]

So it looks like I'll be headed to Texas February 3rd to look over another 201. I was wondering if anyone knows this plane.

http://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/17378619/1983-mooney-m20j-201

Josh Flowers of Mr. Aviation101 has made it pretty famous on YouTube with multiple videos in it. Here is one of them

It looks pretty clean. It's newer than what I was really looking for, but it has been flown pretty regularly. And has better avionics than any of the rentals I fly other than a 201 out of Boeing. It will need an adsb update. And I would love to put a ifr gps in it soon because my home field only had an rNav approach. But I would like to hear any and all input if you know the plane. I will request the prebuy at Don Maxwell if it looks good to my untrained eye and hope to fly her home.

Thanks in advance.

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[TheTurtle]

 

Guys videos rub me the wrong way but it sure looks like a nice plane.  And the word on the street is his daddy buys his planes so its probably well cared for.  On the other hand.  80k with no waas or adsb?  go get you a 50k F and put in what you want. (admittedly I dont know what a waas/adsb J is going for these days).

[AaronDC8402]

I've watched some of the guys videos. Well done videos, but there are other pilot bloggers I like more. I always assumed the Mooney was a rental plane since most of his videos are in the 172. I've heard him say that his dad owns the 172, but never heard him say that about the Mooney. Who would ever choose to fly the 172 over a Mooney if they were both equally available?

[xcrmckenna]

The Mooney is not Mr. Flowers, it is his friends plane.


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[bonal]

Hey Charles glad your still in the hunt. Hope you find what your looking for. You still up there in central OR

[xcrmckenna]

Hey Bonal, yep still in John Day. If things work out with the plane I'll probably fly up Cali and I will stop by and say hi.


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[bonal]

4 minutes ago, xcrmckenna said:

Hey Bonal, yep still in John Day. If things work out with the plane I'll probably fly up Cali and I will stop by and say hi.


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Sounds good the restaurant at Lampson is open again we can have lunch. Hope it works out

[xcrmckenna]

 
Guys videos rub me the wrong way but it sure looks like a nice plane.  And the word on the street is his daddy buys his planes so its probably well cared for.  On the other hand.  80k with no waas or adsb?  go get you a 50k F and put in what you want. (admittedly I dont know what a waas/adsb J is going for these days).

http://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/17887627/1976-mooney-m20f

Is this more of what you were talking about turtle? Things don't seem to be working out after I saw the plane. There were some discrepancies with it that I was not told about and waiting on the owner after my offer. This F looks really nice, and very well equipped.


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[TheTurtle]

2 hours ago, xcrmckenna said:

 

 

http://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/17887627/1976-mooney-m20f

Is this more of what you were talking about turtle? Things don't seem to be working out after I saw the plane. There were some discrepancies with it that I was not told about and waiting on the owner after my offer. This F looks really nice, and very well equipped.


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ooooh thats a beauty right there.  J one piece side windows as well.  has waas, interior is nice.  3 blade prop.  Obviously well inside your budget.  I'd go look at it.  You will still need ADSB out it looks like so you can beat him a little on the price.  Other than that it looks like a plane that has all the wants and needs.  autopilot, speed mods etc.  Well there will always be more wants

take everything I say with a grain of salt, I was stretching to buy my 35k 67 F and after dumping another 10k in it in the last 6 months my wife is giving me side eye

[Zwaustin]

17 hours ago, xcrmckenna said:

 

 

http://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/17887627/1976-mooney-m20f

Is this more of what you were talking about turtle? Things don't seem to be working out after I saw the plane. There were some discrepancies with it that I was not told about and waiting on the owner after my offer. This F looks really nice, and very well equipped.


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What were the issues with the bird when you went a looked at it?

[xcrmckenna]

ooooh thats a beauty right there.  J one piece side windows as well.  has waas, interior is nice.  3 blade prop.  Obviously well inside your budget.  I'd go look at it.  You will still need ADSB out it looks like so you can beat him a little on the price.  Other than that it looks like a plane that has all the wants and needs.  autopilot, speed mods etc.  Well there will always be more wants
take everything I say with a grain of salt, I was stretching to buy my 35k 67 F and after dumping another 10k in it in the last 6 months my wife is giving me side eye

I do agree that is has everything I need to start my ifr training and other than ads-b and JP 900 pretty much everything I want. Other than its not a J. But well worth a look. I've contacted the seller and he is suppose to get the logs posted and getting me the listed useful load.


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[xcrmckenna]

 
I dont agree with Turtle (although i love the creatures) on the F, purely because of age.  You are buying a far far older plane, with all the inherent issues that that entails.  An 83 J is quote modern in comparison and this has less issues.  My ONLY thing I saw on the video was him pulling on the prop to move the aircraft, not good so my mechanic tells me, no idea why!  
Otherwise it looks like an OK J.  They are very very nice planes and to my mind the perfect below 10k travelling machine, fast economical and easy to fly.   Normally come well equipped albeit with older analog stuff but the glass v analog debate is raging on here in other threads so i wont enter into it here.  Personally i would not go for anything before a J although i know a lot of people swear by them.  I am 53 myself and i know which bits of me are complaining!   
Keep searching for a J or somthing more modern,   It might take a year, but heck youll,get the plane you want.  There is a very nice K going over here in the UK i know about, its about the same price as that J, particuarly with the exchange rate.  Yes you will have to re register it, but that is not a major headache.  
Andrew
 

I do soooooo agree with nothing lower is not a J. I've spent the last two and a half years looking for the right 201. And the fact their systems are newer was why I stopped looking for an E model before that. I went to Seattle and got checked out in a 201 and after 20 hours of flying it I'm well hooked. But it would be very hard to find a 201 that has the avionic that F model has. Maybe after seeing your plane finished there would be no way I could go back:) but it's hard to turn a blind eye to the F of Marauders or say Bob's E and many of the other vintage Mooneys here. I just don't know if I have the patients to get one looking and into the shape theirs is.


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[RobertGary1]

14 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

 

Keep searching for a J or somthing more modern,   It might take a year, but heck youll,get the plane you want.  There is a very nice K going over here in the UK i know about, its about the same price as that J, particuarly with the exchange rate.  Yes you will have to re register it, but that is not a major headache.  

Andrew

 

Not sure what you mean by more modern. My 76 F literally only differs from the J by the speed mods (cowl, gear fairing, etc). Are the speed mods what make it "modern"?

-Robert

[xcrmckenna]

What were the issues with the bird when you went a looked at it?

Well it was kind of a laundry list of things.

The biggest items I found when I looked through the logs was the first airframe log book has a lot of water damage and some of the log entry's were washed out.

Then I noticed logs from 1993 to 2001 were gone and there was about 200.7 hours of flight time during those hours.

There was damage to the plane in 1987. It had an off runway landing on a gravel road, one report said it was a gravel runway. The left wing struck a fence post the. The plane hit a ditch and collapsed the left gear.

The Ad for the plane listed all logs and no damage....

The autopilot was inop

The prop was dinged up and looked like it was well due for an over haul

There had been a bad oil leak between the two engine halves that allowed a lot of oil on top of the plane and had stained most of the white.

One of the audio jacks in the back seat was broken through the panel and just laying behind the panel unusable.

The windscreen was very pitted

The inside gear doors were not on the plane and I was told the hinges were bent.

The outside gear doors were bent as well.

The brakes on the left side was very soft and the right side pretty much had no holding power.

We couldn't fly it because that day it was being pulled out of the hanger and they tagged the left wing tip and broke the glass cover.

We did taxi the plane and found on the 2000rpm run up the left mag had over 200 rpm drop but it didn't run rough like a fouled plug.

The brakes could barely hold the plane and could only run it up to full throttle for a moment to see if it would run at 2700rpms.

They said it normally Diesels when you shut it down.

When we pulled the top cowling off you could see a lot of oil on the back of the engine and there was a leak at cylinder #3 where it seats to the block.

Dan did tell me about the autopilot not working, the inside gear doors not mounted before I flew down there. He said he was willing to have them fixed before he sold the plane. and when I was in Phoenix for my layover he texted me about the wing tip lens. But nothing about anything else.

Well today when we were texting he admitted to knowing about most of the other things I had a problem with.




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[xcrmckenna]

Stop looking inthe usa and start looking in europe, they are cheaper over here and better equipped, most are fully airways.   

It sounds like I should move over there for the planes if you find me a solid J I would be willing to come look at it.....


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[Marauder]

8 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said:

Not sure what you mean by more modern. My 76 F literally only differs from the J by the speed mods (cowl, gear fairing, etc). Are the speed mods what make it "modern"?

-Robert

And with the correct speed mods, they aren't much slower than an early J.

[xcrmckenna]

And with the correct speed mods, they aren't much slower than an early J.

Can I ask you what you think of that F model I listed in this thread?


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[Marauder]

22 minutes ago, xcrmckenna said:

 

Can I ask you what you think of that F model I listed in this thread?


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To me the owner did a blend of upgrades both inside and outside. I would check to see how frequently it flew and if everything it has on it is working. As someone who has invested a good amount in both upgrades and maintenance, finding a plane that the owner cared about is what you are looking for. If it appears he/she is doing regularly flying, has been maintaining it and everything is in order, I would consider it.

[RobertGary1]

16 minutes ago, Hyett6420 said:

Robert I'm not dissing things before a J but the J by age is a more modern aeroplane.  

But aside from a few speed mods they are identical in every way. 

-Robert

[ArtVandelay]

But aside from a few speed mods they are identical in every way. 
-Robert

True for the 77J, but starting with 78J, it got gear improvements, push,pull controls, and other improvements over the years.

[xcrmckenna]

Is Weber still the Standard in MSC's in the Pennsylvania area? I'm looking at a plane based at KAGC. Talked to the broker today and its not a problem to fly the plane to my shop of choice for the PPI. There is Advanced Aircraft Maintenance at the airport and then Chautauqua Aircraft just north. I have no dealings or much knowledge of the shops in this area and any help would be great. Thanks for your time

Charles

[Marauder]

12 minutes ago, xcrmckenna said:

Is Weber still the Standard in MSC's in the Pennsylvania area? I'm looking at a plane based at KAGC. Talked to the broker today and its not a problem to fly the plane to my shop of choice for the PPI. There is Advanced Aircraft Maintenance at the airport and then Chautauqua Aircraft just north. I have no dealings or much knowledge of the shops in this area and any help would be great. Thanks for your time

Charles

Weber's is one option. AirMods in New Jersey is another (N87). 

[bradp]

Charles I used to base my plane at AGC and now am at FWQ. Check your PM.


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