Cognitive response with age

[flyboy0681]

6 minutes ago, Marauder said:

What were we talking about again? I forgot.


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You were in the middle of talking about how you needed to land a 747 after both pilots passed out from eating tainted fish.

Please continue

Edited December 7, 2016 by flyboy0681

[Danb]

what

[Marauder]

You were in the middle of talking about how you needed to land a 747 after both pilots passed out from eating tainted fish.
Please continue

This thread reminded me of a funny joke.

An elderly couple pull up to a McDonald's. The husband tells the wife he is going in for a coffee and asks if she wants anything.

She says "Yeah, don't they sell some sort of fish sandwich?" He says yes and asks if she wants that and anything else. She says she wants a fish sandwich with just tarter sauce and a small coffee. She then tells him "you better write it down, you'll forget!"

He says, "I won't forget, you want a fish sandwich with just tarter sauce and a small coffee". She then tells him to add an order of onion rings and again reminds him to write it down. He says he doesn't need to write it down, "you want a fish sandwich with just tarter sauce, a small coffee and an order of onion rings". With that, off he goes into the McDonald's.

He returns a few minutes later and hands her a bag. In the bag she finds pancakes, hash browns and an orange juice. She looks over at him and yells "I told you to write it down! You forgot the maple syrup!"




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[cliffy]

Jsavage brought up a couple of interesting points-

Currency and ability go hand in hand in IFR flying (even VFR). When I was doing it for a living I would jump into the crap without a thought (in the proper airplane for conditions). After I pulled the plug, I didn't have the opportunity (nor the interest) to go into the crap if I didn't have to AND being retired I didn't have to do it so my comfortable quotient with IFR decreased. Yes, being comfortable with solid IFR is concomitant with currency and that is why I decided to go VFR only. Cognitive ability does decrease with lack of use in any particular endeavor. Without practice the thought processes do slow down or disappear. Getting them back may be even harder than maintaining them.  

Aside from the cognitive issues with any particular activity I find, as I stated, that with age (>60 yrs) overall cognitive ability does diminish at varying rates among any group of individuals. Just something to think about.
 

[M016576]

On 12/5/2016 at 5:25 AM, aviatoreb said:

There's something I need to say here.

Wait a sec.

Ummmm...what were we talking about again?

No seriously - I have thought about this a bit from time to time.  I am 49, and a math professor so I think for a living.  But a different kind of thinking than the quick reaction but simple rote processing thinking that goes on in aviation.  I have noticed that in recent years, if anything I think I am better in the sense that I have a broader perspective on my field.  I know more stuff...I am more educated than I was when I got my Phd at 27.  I was a wet behind the ears young punk who knew something, like one thing, fantastically well. Now I know lots of stuff.  My skills are way beyond what they were then, and I just know a lot a lotta things that comes from literally 2 decades of continued nonstop education.  I think that last sentence must apply to all of us in professional educated jobs, whether professor, doctor, lawyer, executive.  If you work your butt off and continue to do your homework, then you learn a lotta stuff.  So happily so far I am not noticing much aging symptoms but I am enjoying experience that comes from years.  Plus I have more of a patient approach to my work - I am patient to work on one problem with no progress for days on end in a way that I was not when I was young, and this really helps me crack problems I just did not have the patience to tackle when I was young.

I do forget people's names almost as soon as I hear them (which is very embarrassing) but I have I ALWAYS done that, but now when I do it, people laugh at me and tell me my mind is going bad.

The LAST thing I saw when you walked into the classroom was a "wet behind the ears young punk."  Then again, I was a 19 year old freshman!

[aviatoreb]

On 12/10/2016 at 0:42 AM, M016576 said:

The LAST thing I saw when you walked into the classroom was a "wet behind the ears young punk."  Then again, I was a 19 year old freshman!

:-)

You and I both old man - squeaky wet behind the ears punks!

(And now - my oldest son is 19 turning 20 in two weeks).

[bonal]

This thread certainly has relevance as I approach 60 am dealing with a newly discovered hypertension among other things. So I got to thinking about many years ago when I used to shoot NRA competition matches and was wondering how I might perform today. I haven't shot in 20 years (hard to believe how fast they pass) I set up my home made target for indoor practice and using my cheap little Crossman .177 CO2 pistol at a range of 10 yards off hand this was the result. 20 years ago there would have been no flyers and 95% would have been in the 10 ring. Biggest challenge was having to shoot wearing glasses for the first time and not really having a proper pair for the task. Target shooting is a great test for hand eye coordination and for body control. 

Its also real fun to shoot in the house. Let's see if I can improve after a few rounds of practice.

[flyboy0681]

2 minutes ago, bonal said:

Its also real fun to shoot in the house.

That ought to help speed up the onset of tinnitus.

Edited December 12, 2016 by flyboy0681

[bonal]

Just now, flyboy0681 said:

That ought to help speed up the onset of tinnitus.

Too late for that, I did mention among other things

[flyboy0681]

Just now, bonal said:

Too late for that, I did mention among other things

Yup, nothing better than lying down in bed in the dead of night with a constant hum or ringing running through your brain.

[Marauder]

3 minutes ago, flyboy0681 said:

That ought to help speed up the onset of tinnitus.

I think most pilots have some level of tinnitus. My mother had it for years and in a quiet room I can hear it as well.

[bonal]

Yeah it sucks. Mine is too high to be called a ring it's a hiss like leaking air under pressure. I can't complain though rock concerts shooting,  racing and being a drummer through life might have had an effect there are always consequences to the things we do.

[flyboy0681]

28 minutes ago, bonal said:

Yeah it sucks. Mine is too high to be called a ring it's a hiss like leaking air under pressure. I can't complain though rock concerts shooting,  racing and being a drummer through life might have had an effect there are always consequences to the things we do.

Mine is a low frequency hum. When I first noticed it I thought there was a truck idling on the street outside of the house as that's exactly what it sounds like.

[Danb]

I've been to doc for mine and yep nothing helps, mine changes but is a loud high pitch siren, I listen to the tinnitus sounds 15 minutes a pop, it's called tinnitus terminator, when I listen for a week in a row there is some relief, until I get tired then it come back a blazing. Give the site a try 

 

 

[Yetti]

Down and left is holding on target too long or pushing with the trigger are you sure you had the trigger on the pad of the finger not at the joint. Up and left is anticipating the recoil/ jerking the shot....

[RobertGary1]

19 minutes ago, Danb said:

I've been to doc for mine and yep nothing helps, mine changes but is a loud high pitch siren, I listen to the tinnitus sounds 15 minutes a pop, it's called tinnitus terminator, when I listen for a week in a row there is some relief, until I get tired then it come back a blazing. Give the site a try 

 

 

What site are you referring to? Mine can be bad, it's sometimes hard to hear the TV over it. 

-Robert

[Yetti]

.45 cal 10 yards slow fire  13 rounds

 

 

Looks like I passed.   I would have brought the sights down, but I like them at 25 yards.  International standard pistol stance (one handed)

Edited December 12, 2016 by Yetti

[Danb]

1 hour ago, RobertGary1 said:

What site are you referring to? Mine can be bad, it's sometimes hard to hear the TV over it. 

-Robert

Software projects.com. It's a program called tinnitus terminator where your listen to various tunes or whatever there called in an effort to get your brain to not notice the terrible sounds, today e.g. I'm having a bad bout of tinnitus so I'll listen to 3-4 segments, good luck Robert.

[cliffy]

The air leaks all the time just more pressure when I get tired! Nothing helps just gotta live with it. 

With good training, 2 in the chest in under 2 seconds from concealed cover out to 15 yds is doable. 

On the cognitive side of things, for those in their prime, enjoy it because you will see a change after 62 if you look for it. . 

[DAVIDWH]

We all know how fast "youngins" grow up and how rapidly grand-pa gets old.

The reason (unfortunately) is that ageing is exponential and nowhere near being linear.

One exception, Tina Turner,

still has legs to die for.

[flyboy0681]

1 minute ago, DAVIDWH said:

The reason (unfortunately) is that ageing is exponential and nowhere near being linear.

That explains why it takes me all night to do what I used to do all night.

[DAVIDWH]

I am sure you are familiar with the country western song by Toby Keith, 

"I'm not as good as I once was, but i'm as good as I once was once?"

Toby Keith

[bonal]

4 hours ago, Yetti said:

Down and left is holding on target too long or pushing with the trigger are you sure you had the trigger on the pad of the finger not at the joint. Up and left is anticipating the recoil/ jerking the shot....

Well first time in 20 years, yes trigger on pad I am left handed but shoot right but left eye dominant. The problem I was having was I could not see the sites or the target depending on which glasses I was wearing. Hand gun was never my strength when I competed it was military silhouette   with iron sites shooting 200 300 and 600yds  .223 69g factory boat tail hollow points did pretty well for a stock rifle average score was 480 but after I got bumped up two classes I was competing against some real serious talent. No recoil on a co2 pellet gun.

improved lighting on sites helped a bit

[Yetti]

My pistol coach had a pair of glasses that was "set" for the front sight since that is where you are supposed to focus. Even though it was 30 years ago the training thing still kicks in.  It's mostly a mental thing to focus on the front site.  

Today when I shot that target I was having a problem focusing on the front site.  It is a red dot and my target pistol black site.  Plus it has a 4 mile trigger pull at least the  pounds are not bad as a 1911.  But it was not 2.2 lbs like my target pistol. 

Rapid fire on the standard course is 5 rounds in 5 seconds which seems like a short time, but usually you get them all off in 3 seconds and have the gun on the table in the last two.

best .22 target I ever shot.  10 rounds are in there somewhere.

 

[Brandontwalker]

Okay, while we are measuring... .22 LR, 100 yards, one shot.


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