mooneyflyfast Posted September 19, 2016 Report Posted September 19, 2016 The FAA rebate reservation is available now. I just got mine. $500 is not a big incentive but my plane is in the shop for a GTX345r install anyway so it will be like found money.
mooneyman Posted September 19, 2016 Report Posted September 19, 2016 39 minutes ago, mooneyflyfast said: The FAA rebate reservation is available now. I just got mine. $500 is not a big incentive but my plane is in the shop for a GTX345r install anyway so it will be like found money. I signed up as well. I'm having GTX 345 and Flightstream 510 installed in October. $1000 from the feds would have been nice but $500 is better than nothing!
gsxrpilot Posted September 19, 2016 Report Posted September 19, 2016 I guess I'm gonna have to quick make up my mind on a direction here. The GTX 345 seems like the obvious choice right now. But I've been thinking of upgrading the GNS 530 to the Avidyne IFD 540 in which case the matching Avidyne AXP340 might be a better choice?
FBCK Posted September 19, 2016 Report Posted September 19, 2016 I have a 540 and the AXP340, I like the Avidyne equipment but I wouldn't let that stop me from buying something newer, the 340 is based on a Trig transponder that's been around for a few years now, some of the newer stuff has ADSB in as well, that's the way I would go.
mike_elliott Posted September 19, 2016 Report Posted September 19, 2016 Some lucky attendee of the Mooney Summit will be able to claim a rebate when they are the successful bidder on a L3 Lynx NGT 9000 transponder a week from Saturday! Keep that in mind when your bidding!
oldn0tded Posted October 15, 2016 Report Posted October 15, 2016 Well, I have done the GTX 345 install, interfaced with a GTN650. I'm pleased with the operation so far. Now to the point, Has anyone gone through the "Fly and Validate" portion of the rebate program? I ask because I'm finding it to be a challenge. Anyone?
carusoam Posted October 16, 2016 Report Posted October 16, 2016 Is that the go online and verify that it was working properly part? Because that process has been done a few times around here... It would require searching knowing what the process name is called...? Best regards, -a-
Andy95W Posted October 16, 2016 Report Posted October 16, 2016 I'll be working through the same thing in about a month or so. Please keep us all posted so we can learn from your experience. There is an Advisory Circular that talks about it, to include a recommended/required flight profile. http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_20-165B.pdf
Guitarmaster Posted October 17, 2016 Report Posted October 17, 2016 My Straus it's being installed presently. Should have it this week. Validation flights to come.Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
carusoam Posted October 17, 2016 Report Posted October 17, 2016 Siri thinks you installed an Austrian composer..! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Strauss_II Best regards, -a- 1
oldn0tded Posted October 20, 2016 Report Posted October 20, 2016 Hey guys, been away for awhile. Sorry for not keeping current. So, First, the advisory circular is good help for a flight test in general, but is not necessarily THE test profile to prove ADS-B function for rebate purposes, i.e. the requirement for 30 minutes of flight time in "rule" airspace. Second, the guidance on turns and bank angles is helpful. I suspect a couple of steep turns while I was attempting my second flight interfered with my out signals, giving me a "fail" in one critical parameter. The same parameter the equipment had passed earlier with zero faults. At this point, that is speculation. Third, the Public ADS-B Performance Report is computer generated, and 29:58 is not 30 minutes in the eyes of the computer. The reason for another "fail". Forth, The controllers have NO idea what you are attempting to do, and have been accommodating so far, but WILL vector you out of their way if need be. In doing so you may be vectored out of the rule airspace. You have to track your time, and know when you're in or out of the required airspace. My experience is limited to Class C airspace, Class B would different, I'm sure. I have to fly to Class C airspace to do the flight, I don't live near one. I have already done this twice. It doesn't take very long to burn up $500 of av gas. My story, so far, Old Knot Head
mooneyman Posted November 5, 2016 Report Posted November 5, 2016 I completed my ADS-B validation flight today! Here is the link from Cloud Ahoy http://www.cloudahoy.com/debrief/?key=EYOs7MfAk5txM We had a total of 33 mins and 33 sec in class C. We went around a hold several times at 3500' and then received vectors around the city and back to the airport. Nothing fancy. Both my reservation code and validation code were required to submit the claim. Now we will see how long it takes for the check to show up! Here's a pic as we passed over Dayton! You can see The National Museum of the USAF and WPAFB in the background! 2
Robert C. Posted November 5, 2016 Report Posted November 5, 2016 The AC doesn't specify Class B or C airspace. Is there an other source that indicates we need to do the test flight in Bravo or Charlie? That's a bummer for people in remote areas, and for those in busy airspace. I can only imagine the reaction of the New York Tracon: Good afternoon NY Approach...Mooney 6PC would like to loiter in your Class Bravo for the next hour.... I'm not funny enough to come up with the likely response but it'll be a doozy
mooneyman Posted November 6, 2016 Report Posted November 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Robert C. said: The AC doesn't specify Class B or C airspace. Is there an other source that indicates we need to do the test flight in Bravo or Charlie? That's a bummer for people in remote areas, and for those in busy airspace. I can only imagine the reaction of the New York Tracon: Good afternoon NY Approach...Mooney 6PC would like to loiter in your Class Bravo for the next hour.... I'm not funny enough to come up with the likely response but it'll be a doozy For rebate validation purposes you must fly in "rule" airspace for 30 minutes. [4] Fly & Validate: Only after the prior steps are completed, the Eligible Aircraft is flown in the airspace defined in 14 CFR §91.225 (see Note C for an exception to this) for at least 30 minutes, with at least 10 aggregate minutes of maneuvering flight, per the guidance in AC 20-165B http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1028666, sections 4.3.2 and 4.3.2.3-4.3.2.6 for Part 23 aircraft. After flight, a Public ADS-B Performance Report (PAPR) and General Aviation Incentive Requirements Status (GAIRS) report is obtained to validate performance of the Eligible Aircraft’s ADS-B installation. Note that it may be necessary to repeat this step more than once, until the GAIRS report indicates PASS for all fields and provides an Incentive Code in the Rebate Status section. I submitted a flight from Chicago Midway (MDW) to Dayton (DAY) last weekend and failed because I only had a combined 16 mins in "rule" airspace.
Robert C. Posted November 6, 2016 Report Posted November 6, 2016 0K, thanks for clarifying. Here in New England it looks like you're almost immediately after takeoff in "rule airspace" so the Class B & C will be a non-issue. 1
jrwilson Posted November 6, 2016 Report Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Rule airspace is also E space, but for the ADSB check, that means above 10k. I did my rule airspace time between 105k and 125k (faa wants climbs and descents). It worked out fine and all Green on the report. Check on the way. Edited November 6, 2016 by jrwilson 1
RobertE Posted November 25, 2016 Report Posted November 25, 2016 On November 6, 2016 at 6:10 AM, jrwilson said: Rule airspace is also E space, but for the ADSB check, that means above 10k. I did my rule airspace time between 105k and 125k (faa wants climbs and descents). It worked out fine and all Green on the report. Check on the way. Thanks for this info. Is there a source that clearly defines airspace suitable for the performance report? I recently failed due to insufficient time despite what was a 90 minute flight. I'll certainly try again at 10k+ but, boy, there are going to be a lot of folks who, like me, fail the time requirement and don't know why.
jrwilson Posted November 25, 2016 Report Posted November 25, 2016 40 minutes ago, RobertE said: Thanks for this info. Is there a source that clearly defines airspace suitable for the performance report? I recently failed due to insufficient time despite what was a 90 minute flight. I'll certainly try again at 10k+ but, boy, there are going to be a lot of folks who, like me, fail the time requirement and don't know why. I failed my time requirement too the first time. I was trying to stay in class C airspace and transitioned between class C at Sacramento and class C at Beale and they did not count the time in between those two air spaces and my time was 28 minutes in rule airspace. I tried again and stayed above 10,000 feet and it worked great. AOPA had a article on ADSB air space for the rebate but I don't have the link handy
jrwilson Posted November 25, 2016 Report Posted November 25, 2016 This is from an AOPA article. It shows class E as 10k to 18k. Go above 10k and do the turns and climbs as described...worked for me.
mooneyman Posted December 4, 2016 Report Posted December 4, 2016 My check from the FAA came today! Exactly 4 weeks since my validation flight.
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