Piloto Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) According to ground radar tracking. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687375 It appears that the plane stalled at FL310 and fell down quickly. Maybe due to a runaway pitch trim or power loss with autopilot engaged. The pilot reported by radio mechanical problems with the plane. José Edited November 1, 2015 by Piloto
ryoder Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 So are these autopilots basically trim stall accidents waiting to happen? Can't the computer figure it out? Airspeed decreasing, stop pulling up, stall imminent.
PTK Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) Not sure how uncle Otto behaves on an Airbus but I know my KFC, given the opportunity, can and will stall the airplane! Very faithfully and obediently ready and willing I might add! Edited November 1, 2015 by PTK spelling
Guest Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Just heard on the news that the plane came down in several pieces, hard to image an auto pilot failure or a stall would cause this. Bets on a missile? Clarence
M20F Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) ADS-B data is a bit suspect, there is a graph over on PPRUNE that maps the three data sources. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what Flightradar is showing for the last few minutes of flight. There was no call by the aircraft of any distress (that initial wrong reporting has been corrected). Edited November 1, 2015 by M20F
carqwik Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Now the thesis is some kind of rear pressure bulkhead failure. The tail section came down several miles from the forward section. Apparently the plane had significant damage in a 2001 tail strike incidence. Frankly, I wouldn't buy into any of this just yet... It's not in the Russian or Egyptian interest to point to terrorism. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time a rear pressure bulkhead has failed in flight after a repair to fix prior damage. I believe Boeing's policy now is that only Boeing's factory mechanics can fix a pressure bulkhead after JAL fixed one on a 747 that ultimately failed in flight. 2
ryoder Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 It's in the Middle East so our first assumption should be terrorism. Of course it could also be a meteorite strike or a runaway autopilot.
N33GG Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Those Middle East meteorites are really bad.
steingar Posted November 2, 2015 Report Posted November 2, 2015 The jihadis didn't have anything capable of hitting a jetliner in cruise. Cruise stall sounds reasonable, but stalled airliners don't usually come apart in midair unless they're doing aerobatics. Yeah, if repairs are faulty then I guess all bets are off. Hopefully the flight data recorders will say something conclusive, though I bet money they don't. Especially if they Russian pilots, given the Russia is doing the investigating.
M20F Posted November 2, 2015 Report Posted November 2, 2015 The jihadis didn't have anything capable of hitting a jetliner in cruise. Cruise stall sounds reasonable, but stalled airliners don't usually come apart in midair unless they're doing aerobatics. Yeah, if repairs are faulty then I guess all bets are off. Hopefully the flight data recorders will say something conclusive, though I bet money they don't. Especially if they Russian pilots, given the Russia is doing the investigating. The data recorders will be opened and analyzed by Russian, British, German, French, Irish, and Egyptian authorities present. All wild speculation at this point but I think there is a Iot of credence to the aft bulkhead separating ala JAL123 given the nature of the accident and the damage history. Time will tell but I think this will be one of the easier ones to resolve the root cause of.
steingar Posted November 3, 2015 Report Posted November 3, 2015 News is claiming a satellite reported heat bloom prior to departure from controlled flight. Rules out a missile (would have been two heat blooms) but suggests explosion, either from a bomb or (more likely I think) a fuel tank exploding in flight. It has been known to happen.
Awful_Charlie Posted November 3, 2015 Report Posted November 3, 2015 Unfortunately more evidence emerging to make a bomb a greater probability
Browncbr1 Posted November 3, 2015 Report Posted November 3, 2015 I wonder if there was anyone with any political significance aboard??
wishboneash Posted November 4, 2015 Report Posted November 4, 2015 US intel says it is a bomb ... http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/index.html
ryoder Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 It looks like the world has underestimated the Islamic State's ability to do what they have been warning us they will do. Definitely not the JV team.
steingar Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Security at the departure airport is said to be quite lax, and the jihadis are claiming a bomb. That said, they're keeping mum about most of the details, unusually for them and suggestive that they're just blowing smoke.
N601RX Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Perhaps it was one of these guys on O2.
ryoder Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Jihad needs to be stopped. Maybe Putin can do it as he is now Forbes most powerful person in the world with Obama running third.
PTK Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 If indeed it was jihadists that bombed the Russian jetliner Putin is going to annihilate them off the map! He is not Obama who goes around apologizing for the US! 1
flyboy0681 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Posted November 10, 2015 36 minutes ago, PTK said: If indeed it was jihadists that bombed the Russian jetliner Putin is going to annihilate them off the map! He is not Obama who goes around apologizing for the US! If it turns out to be ISIL, then Putin's going after them with extreme vengeance may result in many more incidents such as this. I don't want to bring Little Timmy into this, but after 15 years and a trillion (borrowed) dollars, American's wanted out of Iraq and Afghanistan in the worst way. ISIL is the problem of the surrounding Muslim countries, not the United States.
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