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[aviatoreb]

I know I am beating an old drum, but .... That airplane would steel the market if they could put a parachute in it...  Now it is very refined, the fastest you can get as a sports car, throw in the parachute and you would steal a bunch of potential Cirrus buyers.

I wonder why they are saying 242TAS max speed - that seems surprising it would be EXACTLY the same - maybe 1 faster maybe 1 slower....  Its as if they didn't retest it.

Also, its sort of funny the long range tanks are only good for 11 gal.  I wonder if the Monroy STC is available to the 89 gal version to add 30 gallons?

I would like to say that I will buy one in 20 years when depreciation brings it down to where I can afford it, but I am doubting there will be avgas by then.  But nonetheless, looks good to me - I would take one with a lottery winning in my pocket!

Edited February 11, 2016 by aviatoreb

[Shadrach]

8 hours ago, carusoam said:

TSIO-550-G with 280hp and 2200 hrs TBO.

Question: why Not TSIO-550-N updated cylinders compared to the G, with 310hp?

Best regards,

-a-

Better yet, why not the TSIO-550-K. 315hp and certified for 94 octane.

[Marauder]

How about a new plane I can afford?

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[mooneygirl]

Here is the link to the YouTube video: 

 

[Hank]

Cool! An Ovation Ultra, an Acclaim Ultra and an approved Type Certificate at Sun n Fun.

 

[Seth]

ULTRA!!!!!

 

http://www.mooney.com/en/AcclaimUltra.html

 

 

[Mcstealth]

19 hours ago, FlyDave said:

Lower power, higher TBO. But how are they claiming the same speed? Composites?

The speed was certified on the 280 hp, not the 310.  I'm fairly certain of that. I would hope the plane is now lighter, with a UL increase to come when the TC is issued. Maybe faster also? The YouTube video says the TC is still pending,,so maybe the specs will be revised?

[cliffy]

They are doing factory prototype testing now with FAA testing to come shortly. All the specs have not been finalized yet

[greg51]

Can't afford that plane but I would love to have those control yokes

[DaV8or]

Super late to the thread. I'm sure it's all been said by now. Love the pilot's door! I suggested composite over the steel tube frame years ago, so love that too. Really like what I think is a new rear wind profile. The panel redesign and new "styling'? Pretty lame. Same ol', same ol'. Substandard to the Cirrus IMO. It is functional though. 

No parachute??? Big missed opportunity, but maybe it's just too difficult, or expensive to do. That kind of engineering is over my head. Still, Cirrus is the benchmark and the one to beat, or at least steal customers from. 

It's a nice looking bird and I wish them the best, but I don't think we'll see any significant increase in annual M20 sales though.

Edited February 12, 2016 by DaV8or

[Glenn]

I wonder to what extent Cirrus' fixed gear is necessary to absorb enough Gs to make the parachute feasible?  Perhaps that informed part of Mooney's design choice. 

[Shadrach]

3 minutes ago, Glenn said:

I wonder to what extent Cirrus' fixed gear is necessary to absorb enough Gs to make the parachute feasible?  Perhaps that informed part of Mooney's design choice. 

It's certainly part of the design. I believe in most Cirrus chute pulls, the gear collapses on impact.  However, seats could be engineered for the Mooney that would absorb the needed energy. It would probably still require that the gear be down though.

[co2bruce]

I love my Mooney, and the company. But what I hear is it takes less parts, and fewer hours to build and yet the price went up 10%? How many 750k planes can Mooney sell. 

[Jerry 5TJ]

On 2/11/2016 at 10:31 AM, Marauder said:

How about a new plane I can afford?

Here's one for the rest of us.

 

[Bob_Belville]

8 minutes ago, co2bruce said:

I love my Mooney, and the company. But what I hear is it takes less parts, and fewer hours to build and yet the price went up 10%? How many 750k planes can Mooney sell. 

What's a new Cirrus cost? How many do they sell?

[Jerry 5TJ]

1 hour ago, Bob_Belville said:

What's a new Cirrus cost? How many do they sell?

The SR22T GTS lists for about $725K "well equipped" as they say.

 

And in 2014 Cirrus sold 304 airplanes total.

 

Source: http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/General-Aviation.html

 

 

 

[Marauder]

I see a lot of new Cirrus' around here owned by charter companies. There is one from the NYC area that brings someone in and out of my area. Wonder how many are private owner versus companies.

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[Bob_Belville]

14 minutes ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

The SR22T GTS lists for about $725K "well equipped" as they say.

 

And in 2014 Cirrus sold 304 airplanes total.

 

Source: http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/General-Aviation.html

 

 

 

Thanks. Are there reasons Mooney's new planes cannot get some of that market, whoever it is that's spending $7-800,000 for a really nice 4 place single?

If Mooney sells 100 M20s per year that's $75,000,000 gross. Add M10, parts. What volume do we suppose it takes to be profitable? 

[Piloto]

To consider a $750K plane you need to have a yearly income of $750K at least. Where these guys mingle. Certainly not my hangar neighbors. How can you justify $750K for a new plane when a very similar one like a Bravo can be purchased for $250K with no depreciation. A second door is nice but $200K for it?. And I still have to pee in a bottle.

José

[Bob_Belville]

Just now, Piloto said:

To consider a $750K plane you need to have a yearly income of $750K at least. Where these guys mingle. Certainly not my hangar neighbors. How can you justify $750K for a new plane when a very similar one like a Bravo can be purchased for $250K with no depreciation. A second door is nice but $200K for it?. And I still have to pee in a bottle.

José

Someone, not you, not me, is buying all those Cirruses...

[Hank]

Jose, you can pick up a C414 or 421 really cheap, use the extra 500-600K for fuel and the second engine overhaul. They are available with a toilet in the back.  

[co2bruce]

Your comparing Mooney to Cirrus right now. Best I can figure from looking at serial numbers of new planes for sale on Controller Mooney has built fewer than 75 Planes since 2008. Cirrus makes like 300-400 year. They have defined the modern market, with the parachute and composit construction. I wouldn't own one, but as a new pilot or company with enough money to own a new aircraft are you going put your money in a company with such a dubious financial past ( even with a superior product) as opposed to an industry leading company like Cirrus?

[Bob_Belville]

Just now, co2bruce said:

Your comparing Mooney to Cirrus right now. Best I can figure from looking at serial numbers of new planes for sale on Controller Mooney has built fewer than 75 Planes since 2008. Cirrus makes like 300-400 year. They have defined the modern market, with the parachute and composit construction. I wouldn't own one, but as a new pilot or company with enough money to own a new aircraft are you going put your money in a company with such a dubious financial past ( even with a superior product) as opposed to an industry leading company like Cirrus?

Gee whiz, let our sales and marketing folks earn their keep. Someone peddles Fords, Chryslers, Chevys... Mooney has a product that is at least competitive. Safety Speed, Style, + economy. Mooney has an enviable name with a pretty remarkable past. Jerry Chen and company kept the name and I doubt that it even crossed their mind to change it.    

[Shadrach]

On February 11, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Marauder said:

How about a new plane I can afford?

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2 hours ago, co2bruce said:

I love my Mooney, and the company. But what I hear is it takes less parts, and fewer hours to build and yet the price went up 10%? How many 750k planes can Mooney sell. 

These machines are priced for entrepreneurs that can use the bonus depreciation rule on aircraft. It's not likely that a financially savvy person would buy a new plane without a tax incentive.

[bonal]

There are people that have that kind of income and assets that can afford and would want a new airplane just read all the posts made regarding the purchase of a particular used Mooney should I do this should I do that what about the engine the corrosion etc. etc. if I had the means to buy a new Mooney I would and I think this upgrade has really put them into a competitive position.  Lets not forget that a BIG CHUNK of the purchase price goes to cover product liability (my pet peeve) and has nothing to do with time and materials.