fantom Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 My heart breaking first shot at this. Price to be firmed up this week, but cheaper than I'd like. Over 100 pictures on disc. What do you guys think? 1994 Mooney M-20J 201 MSE For Sale Pristine; one owner since new; no damage history; always hangered, pampered 1,300 total hour plane, with complete Logs & first class maintenance history. July, 2012 MAPA Log Cover Girl TTSN: 1,300 hours on engine and airframe Registration # N49GH Serial # 24-3328 Useful Load: 960 pounds Location: San Antonio, Texas Ten Don Maxwell Annuals since 2002 including August, 2014 Engine: IO-360-A3B6D, 200 HP, 2,000 Hour TBO Compressions (cold): 75,75,70,72 Exxon Elite, Cam Guard, Oil Analysis, Dehydration, Semi Annual ACF-50 Corrosion Treatment Precision Teflon Engine Hoses Full Prop Reseal in April 2009 64 Gallon Useable Fuel Capacity with No Tank Leaks or patching ever Mags overhauled 375 hours ago Bracket Air Filter HD Sky Tec 149/ec light weight High Speed Starter - FNE 111009 Artex 110-4 ELT Battery good until June 2015 Concorde HD Battery All eight new main shock disc donuts in 2014 Interior: 10 Aero-Comfort Perforated Leather Interior 2011; Leather Yokes; Glare Shield: Panels; Carpets; Mats; New Leather Headrests with embroidered Mooney Bird; Comfort Foam in front seats: Rosen Sun Visors Exterior: 9.5 Hawk four color Imron Paint Job, 2010; stripped, etched, alodined, and rebalanced control surfaces; wing laps taped to prevent fuel tank contamination; hand painted Mooney Bird on tail; new Wingtip and Wing Plexiglas lenses (Ovation) Avionics Garmin GNS 530 WAAS GPS PS Engineering PMA8000B Audio Control System KAP 150 Flight Control System; Two Axis A/P; with Altitude Hold & GPS coupling KCS 55-01A Slaved HSI System King KX 155 Nav/Com/with Glide Slope King KI 227-01 Slaved ADF JPI EDM-700 Engine Scanner with OAT, Oil Temp, and SW upgrade Shadin Mini-Flow Fuel Computer coupled to Garmin 530 WAAS King KT 76A Transponder, Mode C Hard wired for BOSE pilot headset interface Dual Avionics Blowers Other Equipment Factory Original Precise Electric Speed Brakes Dual Brakes (Co-Pilot) Four Whelen PAR 36 LED Wing mounted Taxi & Landing Lights Electric Cowl Flaps & Electric Yoke mounted Trim Pilot Rudder Pedal Extention Hard Wired for Garmin Aeia 510 (GPS & XM WX) cross filled from 530 WAAS (optional to include) External Power Plug Electric Standby Vacuum Pump with upgraded 193-8 low pressure hoses Electric Standby Attitude Indicator Avionics Master Switch 3 Point Strobe Lights & Recognition Lights Tuned Exhaust System rebuilt Goodyear Flight Custom III Tires with Michelin Air Stop tubes More Stuff Factory Maintenance and Parts Manuals Fully Articulating front seats with custom foam and shoulder belts Split Folding and Removable rear seats Original Sales catalogs and equipment brochures New Aero Door Seals M1201 '94 Epoxy Polymide & Zinc Chromate Applied PRIOR to Assembly Chrome Plated Tow Bar Kennon Internal Window coverings Wing Fuel Sight Gauges Dual yoke mounted PTT switches, electric trim, speed brakes, A/P disconnect & transponder switches Windshield Blower/Defroster Data Output Jack Eternal Antenna Jack for portable Nav/Com Music Input Jack Quote
mike_elliott Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 I'm faced with the same dilemma soon. I may need to sell my F model, simply because I have too many mooneys I am caretaking for and flying as it is. I know, a real tough problem, but the last think I want is one of the nicest F models in the country being abused from lack of use. Until I physically can fly again, all of the planes are suffering a bit. Good luck Gary, yours is a beaut. Quote
mike_elliott Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 Not at all, Jim. This has nothing to do with my accident, but everything to do with being a proper steward of one of the nicest Mooneys of its class and vintage. I'll still log 300 hrs or so next year in Mooneys, and I am still part owner in the Bravo. 1 Quote
flyboy0681 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 Having flown in N49GH many times I feel qualified enough to say that it is the nicest single engine I've ever been in, hands down. I'm sorry to see this happen Gary but know you have been contemplating it for a long time. If you feel the itch to go flying, let me know if you want to attend the luncheon in Lakeland. 1 Quote
fantom Posted August 28, 2014 Author Report Posted August 28, 2014 Well guys, my baby is in Jimmy Garrison's hands now, and a painful drop off it was. Watching how respectfully Jimmy handled her helped and seeing her resting under a cool Texas shade tree, waiting to be pulled into a hanger as I left, caused a flood of emotions. Kinda like seeing my boy go off to war, or move to CA. Half my flying life was in the Air Force and half was in the left seat of 49GH. I spec'ed her out, flew out to the factory several times while she was being built, and either did owner assisted annuals, or took a week of vacation to watch over her while she was being cared for. You know Maxwell charges $500 extra for owner 'assisted' annuals. I also drove Joe at Hawk nuts lording over her new paint, and Hector at Aero-Comfort, while getting a new interior. Silvia, my wife, has hinted on occasion, that I take better care of 49GH than I do of her, but she's just kidding.....I think. Our lives are just a blink of the eye, and usually happen while we're making other plans. I thought I would enjoy 49GH for many more years, but time passes and things change. Thank you dear friend for all the joy you've given me and for never, even once, leaving me stranded. Yes, it is possible to love a plane, and to be loved in return. I am not abandoning you or selling you, just putting you up for adoption. I gotta go..... 6 Quote
Parker_Woodruff Posted August 28, 2014 Report Posted August 28, 2014 I've logged probably 25-30 hours in N49GH. Truly a fine airplane. The ad is up on Controller.com http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MOONEY-M20J-MSE/1994-MOONEY-M20J-MSE/1336475.htm Quote
Marauder Posted August 28, 2014 Report Posted August 28, 2014 Man - you guys are dropping like flies! Stop it! It is getting depressing! Quote
teethdoc Posted August 29, 2014 Report Posted August 29, 2014 Mine is probably headed out to TX with Jimmy in a week or two. Quote
manoflamancha Posted September 3, 2014 Report Posted September 3, 2014 Very nice 201J! If it had a turbo then I would be all over it. 1 Quote
fantom Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Posted September 4, 2014 Very nice 201J! If it had a turbo then I would be all over it. As you know, a turbo could be installed on a 201, but I wouldn't do it. For all who want a new factory J for small bucks, mine is about as close as you gonna get . Call Jimmy or me.....soon. Quote
m20kmooney Posted September 6, 2014 Report Posted September 6, 2014 Only cause for hesitation or concern is that lived in Florida all it's life. They say you can take the plane out of Florida but you can't take Florida out of the plane. Quote
fantom Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Posted September 7, 2014 There are potential dangers for planes everywhere. Up north the sit, freeze, eat runway sand and salt, suffer cold starts and don't get flown for months. Out west they cook, even in a hanger, with paint, interior and avionics wilting. It's always something. In costal areas anywhere, keeping the plane clean, treating with ACF-50 and not letting corrosion start works. The Florida caution, especially with a PPI is just a another old wife's tale. BTW, my plane has lived in Atlanta, Philadelphia, and Dallas, and being a 1994 got much better anti-corrosion treatment than older planes. The full strip and paint less than four years ago should allay any fears. Quote
mike_elliott Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Only cause for hesitation or concern is that lived in Florida all it's life. They say you can take the plane out of Florida but you can't take Florida out of the plane. What's your concern? Probably the same you should have for any plane. A well kept hangered Florida plane like Gary's that has Maxwell maintenance, regular corrosion proofing, solid, beautiful paint to protect it, flown regularly is far sight less risky than a plane used two months a year from Mn. or has been in the nice arid climate of AZ outside in the sun. A simple SB20b check, a good look at the spar and wheel wells can tell a lot. 1 Quote
mooniac15u Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Up north the sit, freeze, eat runway sand and salt, suffer cold starts and don't get flown for months. They do not use corrosive salts at airports. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 They do not use corrosive salts at airports. Unless you're talking about the rim of a Margarita glass. 3 Quote
mooniac15u Posted September 8, 2014 Report Posted September 8, 2014 Unless you're talking about the rim of a Margarita glass. You must have a better FBO than me. We don't even get popcorn. Quote
Bravoman Posted September 8, 2014 Report Posted September 8, 2014 That is truly a gorgeous bird. Looks like right out of the factory. Probably better than factory new with all the love it looks like it got. 1 Quote
fantom Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Posted September 8, 2014 That is truly a gorgeous bird. Looks like right out of the factory. Probably better than factory new with all the love it looks like it got. I wouldn't go quite that far, but thanks. There is something to be said for getting past all the initial issues, even from the factory 1 Quote
m20kmooney Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 The Florida caution, especially with a PPI is just a another old wife's tale. I'm sure it's a nice well taken care of airplane. However, I wouldn't dismiss propensity to corrosion as an old wive's tale! "Since moisture is a culprit for most common types of corrosion, aircraft based in coastal areas are often in particular danger. Many potential aircraft buyers will shy away from a bird that has spent much time in Florida, along the Gulf Coast or in Pacific Coast areas of the west. Said one aircraft appraiser, “there’s just too much chance that such airplanes are rust buckets.” Recently repainted aircraft offered for sale from such areas are regarded with particular suspicion by knowledgeable buyers because the paint could be covering up serious corrosion." AOPA Pilot Resources Quote
fantom Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Posted September 10, 2014 I'm sure it's a nice well taken care of airplane. However, I wouldn't dismiss propensity to corrosion as an old wive's tale! ] We all have the right to be wrong. What I guess you're trying to be helpful with is a minor concern, easily checked for by any knowledgeable buyer, and is an old wive's tale when raised to the level you suggest. Every plane has a 'propensity' to be abused, bent, have a ham fisted pilot, be fifty years old with new lipstick, have engine and avionics issues that defy detection, have belly landings or prop strikes with repairs that are an ongoing concern, have lots of undocumented work done on them, have tank leaks sealed with bubble gum.....the list is endless. There are much bigger dragons to worry yourself about once you are better informed. 2 Quote
flyboy0681 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 "Since moisture is a culprit for most common types of corrosion, aircraft based in coastal areas are often in particular danger. Many potential aircraft buyers will shy away from a bird that has spent much time in Florida, along the Gulf Coast or in Pacific Coast areas of the west. Said one aircraft appraiser, “there’s just too much chance that such airplanes are rust buckets.” When I had my pre-buy conducted I insisted that the A&P remove all interior panels and inspect the tubing. He didn't see any corrosion and neither did I. It may have been a result of regular application of Corrosion X. However, some surface corrosion was removed during the last annual, but it was miniscule and could have occurred anywhere. Quote
m20kmooney Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 We all have the right to be wrong. What I guess you're trying to be helpful with is a minor concern, easily checked for by any knowledgeable buyer, and is an old wive's tale when raised to the level you suggest. Every plane has a 'propensity' to be abused, bent, have a ham fisted pilot, be fifty years old with new lipstick, have engine and avionics issues that defy detection, have belly landings or prop strikes with repairs that are an ongoing concern, have lots of undocumented work done on them, have tank leaks sealed with bubble gum.....the list is endless. There are much bigger dragons to worry yourself about once you are better informed. As I said before it's probably a well cared for plane. We all do have a right to be wrong and this is not about being wrong. It's about being ignorant calling corrosion propensity in coastal areas an old wive's tale. This is not "abuse" we're talking about. This is corrosion from air born salt particles. So this is a huge dragon to worry about once you're informed. Quote
fantom Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Posted September 10, 2014 So this is a huge dragon to worry about once you're informed. Maybe for you, Peter, but thankfully not for most, and not for the majority of all GA aircraft housed anywhere near the ocean, or regularly flying over it. How silly! Not unlike the 231 turbo requiring a lot more maintenance than a normally aspirated engine, and requiring a top at 1,000 hours. If you want to continue this fruitless debate, how about a separate thread, seeing as you've only posted about 15 times in almost two years. If you want to scare off potential buyers, too late, and most are way too informed to buy your paper dragon anyway. 1 Quote
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