OP ED-"Little Timmy Wants to Know Why Nobody Likes Airplanes Anymore?

[scottfromiowa]

Always amusing to see where you go...

[flyboy0681]

Why do terrorists want to live in and terrorize Canadians for anyways? They could move to Euro-socialist utopia and have:

- 30 hour work weeks

- six weeks a year paid vacation

- a little extra pay to enjoy those vacations

- free health care

... You know the rest ...

 

I could see the appeal of setting up business in Canada, the great outdoors, the rockies, Banff and sushi in Vancouver.

[AndyFromCB]

(Disregard that little Muslim shooting and murdering people outside the Canadian Parliment. Or Fort Hood. Or that lady beheaded in Oklahoma City. Or those airplanes flying into the Trade Center or Pentagon.)

 

And all and all, if you add it all up, still less than the annual death toll from bathtub slips. Should we start a war on bathtubs? And spend ourselves into oblivion. Why is it that a guy such as yourself, who believes in the Lord and life after this one gets so upset, when I guy like me, who believes this it it, doesn't? This is my one and only shot and the thought of bathtub slip or losing my head to a hopefully sharp knife just simply does not register daily for me. I'm at peace, brother.

[jetdriven]

And and all, if you add it all up, still less than the annual death toll from bathtub slips. Should we start a war on bathtubs? And spend ourselves into oblivion.

Or when toddlers find their parents gun and shoot them both.

[John Pleisse]

Well,

 

You can thank the religious right for constant non stop fight for your freedom to worship...All of these insane exemptions start right there with a few supreme court decisions about religious freedom...Like I said before, be careful what you wish for...I am all people being allowed to delude themselves into believing whatever they want to believe in the privacy of their own head...

 

Now we have the crazy "lefties" using the rights "won" by the crazy "righties" to fuck shit up for everyone. I am waiting for the day, and it will arrive here soon when the "hobby lobby" decision is used to strip corporate shareholders of limited liability protection. You are going to be amazed what 9th circuit will do with that "precedent".

 

Our courts, our legislature and our executive are mere reactionaries without ability or desire to think anything through. 

 

 

Look, I'd bet if the anti-vaccine lobby offered stats, one would find the most agnostic bunch of any political lobby their is. In fact, these people are likely atheist, over educated, delusional and/ or paranoid. They want answers for their problems and they seek them in some level of science. Bunch a f$^king Subaru drivers. If this lobby twisted and contorted religious based statutes, THEY are misguided. In many states, the word used is "philosophical".

 

As for Hobby Lobby...they don't want to pay for abortion pills and they don't want a mandate that forces them to provide it or their employees to use it. Now, reasonable people see the ACA for what it is and Hobby for what they are, a successful business run by people with conviction, that is willing to allow 27 other types of birth control, but morally abstain from offering abortion pills. That's all Andy, don't work for them if you disagree.

[rob]

So my kid can't bring peanuts to school because someone might be allergic, but your kids can bring measles to school because you're an effing idiot?

Makes total sense.

[AndyFromCB]

Look, I'd bet if the anti-vaccine lobby offered stats, one would find the most agnostic bunch of any political lobby their is. In fact, these people are likely atheist, over educated, delusional and/ or paranoid. They want answers for their problems and they seek them in some level of science. Bunch a f$^king Subaru drivers. If this lobby twisted and contorted religious based statutes, THEY are misguided. In many states, the word used is "philosophical".

 

As for Hobby Lobby...they don't want to pay for abortion pills and they don't want a mandate that forces them to provide it or their employees to use it. Now, reasonable people see the ACA for what it is and Hobby for what they are, a successful business run by people with conviction, that is willing to allow 27 other types of birth control, but morally abstain from offering abortion pills. That's all Andy, don't work for them if you disagree.

 

Now you can service yourself over the 9th Circuit all you want, but this one won't go past the US Court of Appeals.

 

Peace and love, bro, we have a Subaru. Wife loves hers. I does not matter to me that they are agnostic bunch. What bothers me is they used faith and conscience exemptions to get there. I love your certainty here, especially with our extremely creative legal system and the fact that the supreme court might one day once again be packed full of Subaru driving lefty nutcases. You really telling me you can't see that? Then you're just lying to yourself. How many new creative legal theories have arisen in last 30 years alone? Quite a few. Look at cerebral palsy and what it has done to OBGYN profession. Do a search on "hobby lobby and piercing the corporate veil" and you will find hundreds of liberal professors just salivating all over themselves.

[flyboy0681]

 

 

As for Hobby Lobby...they don't want to pay for abortion pills and they don't want a mandate that forces them to provide it or their employees to use it. Now, reasonable people see the ACA for what it is and Hobby for what they are, a successful business run by people with conviction, that is willing to allow 27 other types of birth control, but morally abstain from offering abortion pills. That's all Andy, don't work for them if you disagree.

 

I read this a few months ago when the Hobby Lobby debate was all the rage. For those that don't want to read it, here is an excerpt:

 

Documents filed with the Department of Labor and dated December 2012—three months after the company's owners filed their lawsuit—show that the Hobby Lobby 401(k) employee retirement plan held more than $73 million in mutual funds with investments in companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and drugs commonly used in abortions. Hobby Lobby makes large matching contributions to this company-sponsored 401(k).

 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

[John Pleisse]

Yeah...as for Ca9:

 

[jetdriven]

Look, I'd bet if the anti-vaccine lobby offered stats, one would find the most agnostic bunch of any political lobby their is. In fact, these people are likely atheist, over educated, delusional and/ or paranoid. They want answers for their problems and they seek them in some level of science. Bunch a f$^king Subaru drivers. If this lobby twisted and contorted religious based statutes, THEY are misguided. In many states, the word used is "philosophical".

 

As for Hobby Lobby...they don't want to pay for abortion pills and they don't want a mandate that forces them to provide it or their employees to use it. Now, reasonable people see the ACA for what it is and Hobby for what they are, a successful business run by people with conviction, that is willing to allow 27 other types of birth control, but morally abstain from offering abortion pills. That's all Andy, don't work for them if you disagree.

Plan B is no more an abortifacient than the common birth control pill. It's been proven to prevent implantation exactly like a birth control pill, and not interfere with an implanted egg. Now, RU-486 is a different drug. But it's not in the Hobby Lobby argument.

Science and medical research tell us that. Not faith, feelings, or guesswork. But that's too much for,some people

[AndyFromCB]

Plan B is no more an abortifacient than the common birth control pill. It's been proven to prevent implantation exactly like a birth control pill, and not interfere with an implanted egg. Now, RU-486 is a different drug. But it's not in the Hobby Lobby argument.

Science and medical research tell us that. Not faith, feelings, or guesswork. But that's too much for,some people

 

None of it should matter anyway. What's next? Exemption from FDA and DEA regulations because some crazy hippie owner of 420 Glass, Inc. feels cocaine is a gift from sun God and motivates his employees? What's the difference John? There are people who worship huitzilpotochli. Am I to question that their beliefs are less strong than yours? What if they are just as strong? This is precisely why the entire idea of religious exemption to any regulation is ridiculous. It will come back to bite us in the ass. 

 

[jetdriven]

Maybe I truly believe that I make my kids smarter by choking them until they pass out every night. If I accidentally kill one, that's OK too. Even though science and plain old common sense says I'm a fool, I'm protected because I have a "sincerely held belief". There truly is no end to this.

In Africa they though having sex with as many people as possible could cure AIDS. Sincerely held beliefs.

[John Pleisse]

Conception is life. It is absolute and not arguable. Everything after that, is a liberal slide ruler.

[flyboy0681]

That's an underhanded b s approach and you know it.

Lots of companies match 401Ks and those 401Ks have medical field mutuals, financial field mutuals, precious metal funds, large cap funds, small cap funds, funds timed at your targeted retirement year ... etc.

E.g. I bet lots of Libs and conservatives alike that hated the Wallstreet bail-out, had funds in their 401ks that held AIG or Leman Bros?

You stay classy.

 

 

If you would dust off your way back machine and program it for 1985, you would find a lot of funds divested from anything that was related to South Africa. I think my point is valid,  don't bitch and moan about paying for birth control on one hand, while you invest millions in the companies you are telling your employees they can't obtain their products using company funds on the other.

[AndyFromCB]

Conception is life. It is absolute and not arguable. Everything after that, is a liberal slide ruler.

 

It's your opinion and it is not absolute and is definitely arguable. Prior to implantation, it's just another cell floating around. That's all. Zero chance of survival. Even between the 3 main world religions you will find major disagreements. Even the bible disagrees, Exodus 21:22-25.

 

When it's developing with genetic flaws leading to anencephaly, technically speaking it is life. It's a multi cellular lifeform without any possibility of survival once detached. You can call it life but you cannot call it human. It lacks a brain. It is no different than a tumor, which technically speaking is life as well, with it's own genetic sequence. You simply cannot state with any good reasoning that terminating fetus suffering from holo anencephaly is taking a life in any way shape or form. It is nothing but a blob of cells without any possibility of ever being human. Nothing is absolute or not arguable.

[AndyFromCB]

There is a proven causation effect between crime and abortion. Unwanted babies become unwanted adults. Who would have guessed?

 

http://freakonomics.com/2005/05/15/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/

 

What's your answer Dave? Let them be born and then starve? You cannot cut access to education, contraception, abortion and social services all at once and expect good results. I see another major crime wave coming 15 or so years from now.

[Guest]

Because I am incorrect where? Are unvaccinated children allowed to attend public schools under religious exemptions or not? Yes. Nothing bitter about, just the facts. When you give in to extremist views, the results down the line are often unintended. It always puts a smile on my face when things fire back.

 

Why does fighting for total separation of church and state make me bitter, babbling or partisan. Why does wanting laws to be based on scientific, cost-benefit analyzed reality instead of ideas from a poorly written incoherent book offend you so much? Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. Practice what you want to practice in the privacy of your head. Leave it out political process. At least this way, you don't look like the hypocrite you are with all your peace and love on sunday mornings and bullshit bellicose posturing the rest of the week. Deep down inside you know you might just spend the eternity in hell. Pains you greatly, doesn't it. Now how was that for a rant?

We don't practice medicine based on 2500 year old books, why would some choose to practice religion based on 2500 year old books?

Clarence

[AndyFromCB]

We don't practice medicine based on 2500 year old books, why would some choose to practice religion based on 2500 year old books?

Clarence

 

Because their parents did. As simple as that. It never ceases to amaze me that people do not realize that they are not Hindu for example not because their belief is inferior but simply because they were born Irish. You'd think omni potent being would at least be able to deliver consistency across this little planet. Can't even pull that off. And that's why I worship Howard Schultz.

[Guest]

(Disregard that little Muslim shooting and murdering people outside the Canadian Parliment. Or Fort Hood. Or that lady beheaded in Oklahoma City. Or those airplanes flying into the Trade Center or Pentagon.)

Dave,

The shooter in Ottawa was a French Canadian who converted to Islam. He shot Cpl. Nathan Cirrilo who was an honour guard at the National War Memorial. He then entered the House of Commons and engaged the house security detail and lost.

While terribly sad, I don't view it as an Islamic terrorist attack.

Clarence

[AndyFromCB]

Yeah, not killing your baby is so "old school." Welcome to the new milinium where we kill our babies and God is outdated.

Sad. I sincerely hope you are not serious ... The last two posts are disturbing at the very least ....

The foolishness of man ruins his way,

And his heart rages against the LORD.

Proverbs 19:3

Don't even claim to understand why people believe in God. I guess I run across the grain of your little hypothesis ... since I rejected my parents faith and found my own ... Yeah, it's NOT "as simple as that."

 

Serious about what? So are your parents in hell then? Obviously whatever they believed you don't so someone has to be wrong?

[John Pleisse]

Dave,

The shooter in Ottawa was a French Canadian who converted to Islam. He shot Cpl. Nathan Cirrilo who was an honour guard at the National War Memorial. He then entered the House of Commons and engaged the house security detail and lost.

While terribly sad, I don't view it as an Islamic terrorist attack.

Clarence

 

How? Recently radicalized, online rants. Nobody knows for sure what made him crack, but something took him to the action of doing it. Explain to me what you think it was?

[John Pleisse]

It's your opinion and it is not absolute and is definitely arguable. Prior to implantation, it's just another cell floating around. That's all. Zero chance of survival. Even between the 3 main world religions you will find major disagreements. Even the bible disagrees, Exodus 21:22-25.

 

When it's developing with genetic flaws leading to anencephaly, technically speaking it is life. It's a multi cellular lifeform without any possibility of survival once detached. You can call it life but you cannot call it human. It lacks a brain. It is no different than a tumor, which technically speaking is life as well, with it's own genetic sequence. You simply cannot state with any good reasoning that terminating fetus suffering from holo anencephaly is taking a life in any way shape or form. It is nothing but a blob of cells without any possibility of ever being human. Nothing is absolute or not arguable.

 

 

And to a couple that is trying to get pregnant for 6 years, you say? If a mother is murdered in most states, that blob is 2 counts of murder (even before 3 mos)...you say? These are the very foundations for which we later, respect and value life. I won't discuss this further.

[AndyFromCB]

Andy, What about spaying and neutering anyone below the poverty line? Would that help with crime and abortion?

Is that a good call? You know saving the taxpayers down the line? How about chemical castration instead of a drug test when you pick up your check?

Is that a good social program?

 

Great ideas from Scott. I agree with them ;-) Yes, we should probably require that anyone on welfare does not reproduce, so an IUD would be a great idea for those seeking to receive federal or state benefits.

 

Are you guys denying that unwanted children tend to become unwanted adults? Whether or not you are pro or against abortion you cannot deny the fact that poor people have more kids and that their kids are more likely not finish high school and get in trouble with the law. By having the poor have less children, you have less of these problems. So yes, I claim that an average abortion has probably saved the tax payer hundreds of thousands of dollars. How can you deny that? Prison is $30K a year, food stamps and welfare probably $10K. Student education.

 

I am not attacking religion. I am attacking policy based on religion. Believe what you want, just leave it out politics. I want sound fiscal policy and in my book teaching kids about "f***ng", birth control and easy access to abortion would make us a safer and wealthier society. As simple as that.  

[AndyFromCB]

And to a couple that is trying to get pregnant for 6 years, you say? If a mother is murdered in most states, that blob is 2 counts of murder (even before 3 mos)...you say? These are the very foundations for which we later, respect and value life. I won't discuss this further.

 

Adopt? Save your vagina? Invitro if you really want to destroy said vagina? Religion once again messing with the law. It didn't use to be like that until about 30 years ago when right wingers decided fetuses were people too.

[AndyFromCB]

I wonder what the Jordanian F16 pilot's last thought was prior to his being executed by fire? I wonder what the alleged homosexual's was as he was falling seven stories? I wonder what the women alleged to have lain with another thought as her father cast a stone at her head?

What a F%$%ed up world...

Now, let's kill some babies, ban some guns and find some more commoners to tax!

Don't forget to have your pet spayed or neutered...

 

Here is another good from you. Of course that banning and confiscating all the guns would make us safer. Look at Japan. You know it. It won't happen, but in theory, if there was no guns, you are aware that there would not be 30,000 gun murders. Do you disagree?

 

You don't want more taxes, well, then you have to stop producing so many poor people. Imagine 30 more million on food stamps you'd have to be paying for. You'd have to fly a Cherokee. Oh, the humanity.