KLRDMD Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 I figger what we need about now is a good ole thread on Old Wives Tales (OWT). You know, Lean of Peak, 50º ROP, 25 Squared, Shock Cooling and the like. Who wants to start ? Quote
KSMooniac Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 I'd rather kick over an ant hill! Or maybe swat a hornet's nest. Quote
The-sky-captain Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Quote: KSMooniac I'd rather kick over an ant hill! Or maybe swat a hornet's nest. Quote
Immelman Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Ok I'll bite: (NA engine): Reduce power and climb out at 25^2. (I never do this!) Quote
skyking Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 I'd rather buy a new toy without telling the wife! Quote
KSMooniac Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 How about a list? Off the top of my head, here is what I have: Reduce power on climb to "save the engine" Excess fuel cools the cylinders Running LOP will burn up your cylinders Don't descend with no- or low-power or you'll shock-cool the engine Don't run your engine "oversquare" ( MP > RPM/100 ) Idle your turbo engine after landing for 5 minutes to cool it down Quote
Jeff_S Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 I was coming in to land the other evening just after sunset. I base out of a Class D field with a lot of traffic, so the Tower has full command of which runways are in use. I was directed to land on 34 even though the wind had shifted and this was now a slight tailwind. Trying to keep good speed control, but the Mooney is still new to me so I was at 76 KIAS instead of my CFI-proscribed 75 KIAS and with the added tailwind, I flared and floated 3500' down the runway until I realized I didn't have enough space to stop before that Lear jet that was now lined to take off in the other direction so I powered up and did a go-around. Which was a good thing too since I quickly realized I'd forgotten to put the gear down. Whew! Quote
FlyDave Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 Quote: Jeff_S I was coming in to land the other evening just after sunset. I base out of a Class D field with a lot of traffic, so the Tower has full command of which runways are in use. I was directed to land on 34 even though the wind had shifted and this was now a slight tailwind. Trying to keep good speed control, but the Mooney is still new to me so I was at 76 KIAS instead of my CFI-proscribed 75 KIAS and with the added tailwind, I flared and floated 3500' down the runway until I realized I didn't have enough space to stop before that Lear jet that was now lined to take off in the other direction so I powered up and did a go-around. Which was a good thing too since I quickly realized I'd forgotten to put the gear down. Whew! Quote
MooneyMitch Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 "Don't you have a gear warning horn? Mine goes off if the gear is not down and I throttle back to under about 15" MP. It scared the cr_p out of my wife when I was trying to slow down enough to drop the gear and get some flaps out last week. Good thing - getting one's attention!" Talk about a shocking alert................try the audible gear alert warning........"CHECK YOUR GEAR, CHECK YOUR GEAR, CHECK YOUR GEAR, etc..................that will make you sit up and pay attention!!! Quote
Jeff_S Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 Gentlemen, please check your calendar for today's date and re-read my post with that in mind! Quote
Earl Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 Quote: FlyDave Yikes!!!! Don't you have a gear warning horn? Mine goes off if the gear is not down and I throttle back to under about 15" MP. It scared the cr_p out of my wife when I was trying to slow down enough to drop the gear and get some flaps out last week. Good thing - getting one's attention! Have you ever seen the video "Whats that beeping" ( http://iplaster.net/rugg/Whats_that_beeping.wmv )? Don't be complacent about warning horns!!! Quote
Earl Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 Quote: Jeff_S Gentlemen, please check your calendar for today's date and re-read my post with that in mind! Quote
KLRDMD Posted April 1, 2010 Author Report Posted April 1, 2010 Quote: fantom Mooneys ARE hard to land..... Quote
Parker_Woodruff Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 Quote: fantom Mooneys ARE hard to land..... Quote
Mac201 Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 Jeff. You had me! I had already swarn to never fly with you again. And I knew your gear warning worked! OK, I will settle down now. Quote
davidfreedman Posted April 2, 2010 Report Posted April 2, 2010 KSMooniac, You're scaring me. I did my ferry flight from the East Coast with the chief pilot from one of the big Mooney shops (intentionally being non-specific). I'm pretty sure he indoctrinated most of that and that's how I fly (with a few exceptions). I'm having a "What...there's no toothfairy?!" moment. Quote
KLRDMD Posted April 2, 2010 Author Report Posted April 2, 2010 Quote: davidfreedman KSMooniac, You're scaring me. I did my ferry flight from the East Coast with the chief pilot from one of the big Mooney shops (intentionally being non-specific). I'm pretty sure he indoctrinated most of that and that's how I fly (with a few exceptions). I'm having a "What...there's no toothfairy?!" moment. Quote
davidfreedman Posted April 2, 2010 Report Posted April 2, 2010 All ears and always willing to learn...give me the short list... Quote
KSMooniac Posted April 2, 2010 Report Posted April 2, 2010 David, the easiest recommendation is to go here: www.advancedpilot.com Another poster here recently took the on-line version of their course and gave it a hearty recommendation (you can search it up here). The live, weekend class is the best, but obviously more difficult to attend. It is the best money you'll spend as an owner/operator, really. I learned more in the weekend class than I did in many semester-long engineering courses. Quote
jlunseth Posted April 2, 2010 Report Posted April 2, 2010 " Or fly a 182! :)" My 231 is in the shop so I rented a 172 Skyhawk and flew to Kansas yesterday. Man, I want my Mooney back. For one thing, the winds from the south were fierce in the 172's flight envelope, and I was making around 83 knots GS going down. Six hours with a fueling stop, and in the lower level turbulunce and some wind shear all the way. And the thing lands too slow and has practically no perceptible ability to handle crosswinds. Slow is not good when dealing with gusts to 35. It is more a matter of plopping it down than landing. I tried landing it faster, but it was not happy with that either. Apologies to Cessna people everywhere, but I did not appreciate how good I have it until now. Quote
KSMooniac Posted April 2, 2010 Report Posted April 2, 2010 Where are you in KS? The wind has definitely shown up in earnest this week! I've seen 99 kts GS going to TX from here, in my Mooney, before. Slogging through that in a Slowhawk would be as bad as driving! Quote
KLRDMD Posted April 2, 2010 Author Report Posted April 2, 2010 Quote: KSMooniac Where are you in KS? The wind has definitely shown up in earnest this week! I've seen 99 kts GS going to TX from here, in my Mooney, before. Slogging through that in a Slowhawk would be as bad as driving! Quote
FlyDave Posted April 2, 2010 Report Posted April 2, 2010 Quote: KLRDMD For portions of the flight I had a 27 kt ground speed - a 120 kt headwind component. Quote
davidfreedman Posted April 2, 2010 Report Posted April 2, 2010 Scott - thank you for the recommendation. I will do the online course one of these upcoming weekends and stop perpetuating OWTs Quote
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