Big layoffs reported at ForeFlight.

[hazek]

Okidoki man

[Fly Boomer]

9 hours ago, 1980Mooney said:

We used a start program on mylar tape to boot it up.

Great pic!

[N201MKTurbo]

My wife and I were out for lunch yesterday and the Texan Patriot game was on tv. It was snowing and I was wondering where the game was being played, so I asked Google. There was no AI in the search results, which I found weird. I had to go to the fourth page of results before I got an answer. I guess as an American male I’m expected to just know that. So, it was at Foxboro MA.

So, I asked Google why I didn’t get an AI answer to my question. It actually gave an AI answer to that question. It said that Google will not give any AI sports predictions. Which just goes to show you how smart AI really is, I wasn’t asking for any kind of prediction, I was just asking where the game is played.

[Jeff Uphoff]

On 1/16/2026 at 1:08 PM, PeteMc said:

Now it looks like they are pulling the Trip Assistant too.  Not that it was the best tool ever... it was not and needed a lot of work.  But the concept was great had they just fixed it.

One of their "reasons" is for lack of use.  Duh!  It was only available to the Premium level subscription (and I'm assuming above), but since it didn't work all that well, it was not a go-to tool.  I do admit I would plug in Airports on my longer XC and my X-US flights to see what it showed me for fuel stops.  It was the only place in FF where you can look at a multi stop flight and play with the numbers for you Stop Time to "guesstimate" the total travel time.  Wish they had fixed/improved it and just offered it to everyone vs trashing it. 

It didn't work very well is right. I found it frustrating, as it would often just refuse to behave and offer up legs for long x/c flights that needed a stop. I'd have to restart the planning from scratch, sometimes more than once, and it felt like a crap shoot as to whether I'd get any useful planning out of it.

--Up.

[PeteMc]

53 minutes ago, Jeff Uphoff said:

It didn't work very well is right.

Regretfully that seems to be the story of the Website in general.  And my guess is they're going to put even less resouces into it going forward. 

 

[Fly Boomer]

2 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Which just goes to show you how smart AI really is

My experience suggests "Not very".

[NickG]

1 hour ago, Jeff Uphoff said:

It didn't work very well is right. I found it frustrating, as it would often just refuse to behave and offer up legs for long x/c flights that needed a stop. I'd have to restart the planning from scratch, sometimes more than once, and it felt like a crap shoot as to whether I'd get any useful planning out of it.

--Up.

I used FF and the Trip Assistant quite a bit when I was scheduling flights for our Gulfstream and it was very useful. Sold the GS last January (thankfully). I use GP with the Mooney (last few years). Prefer GP but GP Web is very poor in comparison. GP is an excellent EFB - just different in interface to FF. Has some features FF is lacking and is missing some great FF features as well.

[MikeOH]

14 hours ago, 1980Mooney said:

1969 - learned to program on a DEC PDP-8/L (for "low cost")

1972 for me on a DEC PDP-8/E running a timeshare O/S called TSS-8.  The computer was at the school district office and the schools had ASR-33 teletypes and 110 baud acoustic modems. Pretty impressive that the machine supported 16 remote users with 32K of memory (For the newbies, that's not a typo, it's K, NOT M or G) In that 32K was a 4K OS kernel that swapped both users and other OS modules in and out of core as required (When I say core, I'm talking real wire thru tiny donuts memory!). We saved our programs on paper tape; the punch on the ASR-33 wouldn't handle mylar, IIRC.

A couple of decades later the company I was working for had an N/C machine tool run by a PDP-8/m. When it finally died it was replaced by a PC of some sort.  I got the old PDP-8/m and restored it to working condition:

 

[PeteMc]

On the topic of potentially bailing on FF...  Has anyone tried 8Flight?

I know it is basically brand new (less than a year?) and they are hoping to take on FF and G Pilot.  I'm also wondering if their launch time had anything to do with the sale of FF and they knew there would be termoil.  But other than it exists and reading a few blurbs about it, I've never seen any posts from anyone that has actually tried it?  Anyone try it themselves or have first had knowlege of someone that has?

[Marc_B]

Raises some interesting questions.  Will be interesting to see the final details of what was restructured and how this effects the product available to pilots.

I'm sure the Garmin Pilot / Foreflight competition has to be an interesting aspect for this as well.  Of course Foreflight was revolutionary in the availability, affordability and reach into general aviation with the electronic flight bag...others have done it, but it's hard to deny their vision and dominance up til now.

[toto]

45 minutes ago, PeteMc said:

Has anyone tried 8Flight?

That's Matt Guthmiller's app?  I've seen it only in his videos - I've never seen anyone using it in the wild.

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, MikeOH said:

1972 for me on a DEC PDP-8/E running a timeshare O/S called TSS-8.  The computer was at the school district office and the schools had ASR-33 teletypes and 110 baud acoustic modems. Pretty impressive that the machine supported 16 remote users with 32K of memory (For the newbies, that's not a typo, it's K, NOT M or G) In that 32K was a 4K OS kernel that swapped both users and other OS modules in and out of core as required (When I say core, I'm talking real wire thru tiny donuts memory!). We saved our programs on paper tape; the punch on the ASR-33 wouldn't handle mylar, IIRC.

A couple of decades later the company I was working for had an N/C machine tool run by a PDP-8/m. When it finally died it was replaced by a PC of some sort.  I got the old PDP-8/m and restored it to working condition:

 

Computers just don't have enough switches and blinking lights any more. 

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, MikeOH said:

1972 for me on a DEC PDP-8/E running a timeshare O/S called TSS-8.  The computer was at the school district office and the schools had ASR-33 teletypes and 110 baud acoustic modems. Pretty impressive that the machine supported 16 remote users with 32K of memory (For the newbies, that's not a typo, it's K, NOT M or G) In that 32K was a 4K OS kernel that swapped both users and other OS modules in and out of core as required (When I say core, I'm talking real wire thru tiny donuts memory!). We saved our programs on paper tape; the punch on the ASR-33 wouldn't handle mylar, IIRC.

A couple of decades later the company I was working for had an N/C machine tool run by a PDP-8/m. When it finally died it was replaced by a PC of some sort.  I got the old PDP-8/m and restored it to working condition:

 

https://www.shutterstock.com/shutterstock/videos/1045637371/preview/stock-footage-circa-the-control-panel-on-a-ddp-computer-for-the-apollo-mission-simulator-at-the-nasa.webm

 

I spent a lot of time working with this beast. It was running a 737 simulator that belonged to Frontier Airlines (the old one) it was built in 1966. I did a software change to it that was approved by the FAA and I built an Rs232 interface for it so you could load programs from a PC instead of a card reader. You could load a new program in 20 sec instead of 15 min.

It was a Honeywell DDP224 computer running a 737 simulator built by Conductron Missouri. The same company that built the Apollo simulator in the video.

[Justin Schmidt]

3 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Computers just don't have enough switches and blinking lights any more. 

 

[Bolter]

On 1/16/2026 at 10:16 PM, Shadrach said:

I was to switching from FlyQ to FF at renewal this year but decided to avoid FF because my experience with all of aviation companies that have been bought by Arcline through the Hartzell acquisition has soured me on PE.

That being said, I have seen some buggy behavior out of FlyQ lately. Do you ever see a brief course reversal on the moving map and wide variations in depicted ground speed (35-460kts). Usually only happens for a few seconds.

 

I have not see what you are describing, in many years of use.  The only bug I find with FLyQ (recently) is that it incorrectly injects victor airways into flightplans filings.  I do not always catch it and end up with a routing on airway without a fix to transition from airway to an airport or other point.  

[M20F]

22 hours ago, Schllc said:

I’m pretty sure we are saying the same thing. 
How it is prompted is key, it’s why I said garbage in, garbage out. 
 

Great article on the topic. 
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2026/01/10-things-i-learned-from-burning-myself-out-with-ai-coding-agents/

[Schllc]

1 hour ago, M20F said:

Great article on the topic. 
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2026/01/10-things-i-learned-from-burning-myself-out-with-ai-coding-agents/

The human brain is the ultimate computer. 

[M20F]

1 hour ago, Schllc said:

The human brain is the ultimate computer. 

[Justin Schmidt]

12 minutes ago, M20F said:

That's why one shouldn't do drugs. And computers/software is worse