Owner maintenance logbook entry

[shawnd]

Anyone have a picture or text of what an owner maintained logbook entry looks like?   I know the requirements are listed in https://www.gleim.com/aviation/faraim/?leafNum=43.9&terms[0]=runway  but how detailed do you get with oil changes? Do you sign your name and put "Owner of this amazing bird" in place of the certificate number?

[EricJ]

Descriptions don't need to be long or too detailed. 

"Oil change, added N Qts of xxW-yy oil and a Weetabix EZ4269 filter.  Filter checked good, leak checked good."

That's even longer than some, but gives you the idea.   The maintenance entries should look similar regardless of who does them, a mechanic or a pilot, the only real difference is the certificate type with the signature and number.   You don't even need to put "Owner" or "Operator", just "Private Pilot" or "PPL" or whatever your certificate type is and your number.   Your signature is your indication that the work was done properly and the aircraft is returned to service.

Don't put "filter checked good" unless you actually cut the filter open and check it, same thing with the leak check. 

Put info that may be useful to you in the future, leave out anything that isn't pertinent or necessary.   Brief is good.

[shawnd]

Thanks Eric! Makes sense. All my previous changes have been done by my A&P. He will be helping me with the oil filter inspection this time as well so will log that line. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, shawnd said:

Thanks Eric! Makes sense. All my previous changes have been done by my A&P. He will be helping me with the oil filter inspection this time as well so will log that line. 

For your engine don’t forget the suction screen and a new copper gasket for it.

[shawnd]

3 minutes ago, M20Doc said:

For your engine don’t forget the suction screen and a new copper gasket for it.

Good point! Just finished the 10 hr post-breakin oil change last night and did the post mx ground run to check for leaks. Would you consider it okay to wait for another 15 hours if the oil filter inspection results are nothing out of the ordinary? The plan is to do oil change, borescope and compression tests with the A&P at the next checkpoint. 
 

Thank you as always!

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, shawnd said:

Good point! Just finished the 10 hr post-breakin oil change last night and did the post mx ground run to check for leaks. Would you consider it okay to wait for another 15 hours if the oil filter inspection results are nothing out of the ordinary? The plan is to do oil change, borescope and compression tests with the A&P at the next checkpoint. 
 

Thank you as always!

It should be on the 50 cycle, more frequently after overhaul.

[shawnd]

Okay thanks, will do it in 15 hours which will make it at the 25 hour mark. 
 

Shawn

[Fly Boomer]

1 hour ago, shawnd said:

Anyone have a picture or text of what an owner maintained logbook entry looks like?   I know the requirements are listed in https://www.gleim.com/aviation/faraim/?leafNum=43.9&terms[0]=runway  but how detailed do you get with oil changes? Do you sign your name and put "Owner of this amazing bird" in place of the certificate number?

As Eric points out above, brief is good.  This is an excerpt from an AOPA article:

8/23/15 3025TT Airframe, 1222 SMOH Engine
Drained oil and replaced with 7qts. 20W50 Oil. Replaced 48110 oil filter and safety wire. Collected oil sample for analysis. Engine test-run and no leaks noted.
Jeffrey Simon
Owner, pilot license #11223333

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/august/27/aircraft-maintenance-logging-lessons

[shawnd]

4 minutes ago, Fly Boomer said:

As Eric points out above, brief is good.  This is an excerpt from an AOPA article:

8/23/15 3025TT Airframe, 1222 SMOH Engine
Drained oil and replaced with 7qts. 20W50 Oil. Replaced 48110 oil filter and safety wire. Collected oil sample for analysis. Engine test-run and no leaks noted.
Jeffrey Simon
Owner, pilot license #11223333

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/august/27/aircraft-maintenance-logging-lessons

Thanks for the pointer to the article. Like the format. 

[SKI]

Here's what mine looks like. I modify it in Microsoft EXCEL then print it out on sticky back white paper from staples. Trim the entry out of the sheet and stick it in the logbook. I have one with my A&P's name and cert# as well for when we do something together. We both sign it and stick it in. I'm definitely a hands-on guy and prefer working on my own stuff. My A&P is older and likes to teach and enjoys the help. Win Win.  

Oil Change Engine Log Entry.pdf

[PT20J]

I'm probably more verbose than some. I like enough detail so that anyone looking at it is clear what I did. Here's an example:

Changed oil and filter. Serviced with 7 qts. Phillips X/C 20W50 and 11.2 oz. Camguard and Tempest AA48110-2 filter. Checked compression: (1) 79/80, (2) 78/80, (3) 78/80, (4) 79/80. Installed 8 new Tempest UREM37BY spark plugs. Opened and inspected oil filter; no metal found. Test ran with no leaks noted.

Also, if I install any parts, I like to note the manufacturer, part number and serial number if there is one.

Replaced left fuel tank drain with P/N F391-53S.

Now, if you want to start a real debate: Do you log the oil change in the engine logbook, the airframe logbook, both? Does it matter?

Skip

[cliffy]

Engine log book !

[RobertGary1]

8 hours ago, M20Doc said:

For your engine don’t forget the suction screen and a new copper gasket for it.

Makes a quick job annoying. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, RobertGary1 said:

Makes a quick job annoying. 

Much easier on the TSIO360 than a Lycoming 360.

[PeteMc]

Just look at some of the entries from your mechanic or some of the prior ones and do something similar.

 

[gacoon]

10 hours ago, Fly Boomer said:

As Eric points out above, brief is good.  This is an excerpt from an AOPA article:

8/23/15 3025TT Airframe, 1222 SMOH Engine
Drained oil and replaced with 7qts. 20W50 Oil. Replaced 48110 oil filter and safety wire. Collected oil sample for analysis. Engine test-run and no leaks noted.
Jeffrey Simon
Owner, pilot license #11223333

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/august/27/aircraft-maintenance-logging-lessons

Actually the type of pilot license is required, somewhere there is an advisory circular about this.  Ie c@n use pp for private, cp for commercial, and of course atp.  Ex.  Owner/pilot CP #1234567

AC No: 43-12A
 

(3) If the work has been performed satisfactorily,“...the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person approving the work” (§ 43.9(a)(4)). When preventive maintenance is performed as authorized in § 43.3(g), (h), and (i), the certificate may be indicated in a manner which would be clear to the reader (e.g., PP, CP, or ATP might be used to indicate private, commercial, or airline transport pilot, respectively). The certificate number is that number displayed on the certificate being exercised. Affixing a signature to the entry, which describes the work accomplished, constitutes approval for return to service.
NOTE: Section 43.9(a)(3) is not applicable when preventive maintenance is performed by the holder of a pilot’s certificate because owners/pilots are not authorized to approve work accomplished by others. The only person who
  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[shawnd]

@gacoon very good observation. Gotta love the MS community!

[Raymond J1]

For "EASA", there is a maintenance program (PE), which determines the different operations, they are usually :
- VPE 50 hours / 6 months (Visit small interview) ;
- VPE 100 hours / 1 year ;
- GV 2000 hours / 4 years (big visit).

At the hourly or calendar deadline, it is just the type of visit that is mentioned on the booklets (engine, airframe, propeller and road), the description of the work is done on a detailed report that is stapled in the booklets.

An "APRS" sheet is in the logbook, it is it that frees the aircraft from maintenance work.

[Fly Boomer]

9 hours ago, gacoon said:

Actually the type of pilot license is required, somewhere there is an advisory circular about this.  Ie c@n use pp for private, cp for commercial, and of course atp.  Ex.  Owner/pilot CP #1234567

AC No: 43-12A
 

(3) If the work has been performed satisfactorily,“...the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person approving the work” (§ 43.9(a)(4)). When preventive maintenance is performed as authorized in § 43.3(g), (h), and (i), the certificate may be indicated in a manner which would be clear to the reader (e.g., PP, CP, or ATP might be used to indicate private, commercial, or airline transport pilot, respectively). The certificate number is that number displayed on the certificate being exercised. Affixing a signature to the entry, which describes the work accomplished, constitutes approval for return to service.
NOTE: Section 43.9(a)(3) is not applicable when preventive maintenance is performed by the holder of a pilot’s certificate because owners/pilots are not authorized to approve work accomplished by others. The only person who
  

 

 

 

 

 

 

So much for Jeff Simon.  Thanks.

[shawnd]

13 hours ago, gacoon said:

Actually the type of pilot license is required, somewhere there is an advisory circular about this.  Ie c@n use pp for private, cp for commercial, and of course atp.  Ex.  Owner/pilot CP #1234567

AC No: 43-12A

For access to the doc, here's the link to the page at our favorite governing body's site. Good read.

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1028826

For future reference of what is considered preventative maintenance:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/appendix-A_to_part_43#c