Camguard question.

[0TreeLemur]

Previous owner of our "new" J used Phillips X/C oil + Camguard.

I'm new to this Camguard stuff.   We used to use Aeroshell in our C.

When I ordered a case of Phillips X/C oil I also ordered Camguard.   Time to add a quart of oil.  How much Camguard goes in, and how to folks measure it?  Tell me something easy and neat. 

Fred

[Fly Boomer]

10 minutes ago, 0TreeLemur said:

Previous owner of our "new" J used Phillips X/C oil + Camguard.

I'm new to this Camguard stuff.   We used to use Aeroshell in our C.

When I ordered a case of Phillips X/C oil I also ordered Camguard.   Time to add a quart of oil.  How much Camguard goes in, and how to folks measure it?  Tell me something easy and neat. 

Fred

Internet says roughly 1/4 cup.  That's a little strong, so if you are adding 6 quarts between oil changes, you might back off a little.

[amillet]

[pirate]

I measure it from the side of the bottle, it shows ounces. 

[hammdo]

47 mm per quart of oil is 1.6 oz. I have a syringe that goes to 100 mm so I use it when I add a quart of oil. to get the correct amount for oil change, it’s about 11 oz for 7 quarts…

-Don

[Pinecone]

DUH.  I was wondering how to add when adding oil.  I actually have as syringe designed to measure oil for premix.

I would add the Cam Gaurd to the oil in the bottle, shake it, then add to the engine.

[0TreeLemur]

1 hour ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

I pour 11.2 ounces of Camguard into the sump during every 7 quart Phillips XC oil change.   That’s 5%.  I don’t typically have to add oil between 25-30 hour oil changes, so adding Camguard to individual quarts of “add oil” between oil changes isn’t an issue for me. 

From early experience, it seems that our "new" J burns a quart in 7-8 h, so I must add oil between changes.   I would like to find an accurate method that doesn't make a mess.

 

[SKI]

I run Camguard in my Cherokee 180. I put in about 10.5-11 Oz. per 6.5 quarts of oil. Much more than 7 Qts. and it just blows it out. Google "Wirthco 72300 Prop R Measure". Works great to measure a fluid then pour straight out of that container into the plane. I usually put in a few quarts of oil then all the Camguard then the rest of the oil. The engine will mix it up in short order.  

[Fly Boomer]

7 minutes ago, SKI said:

I run Camguard in my Cherokee 180. I put in about 10.5-11 Oz. per 6.5 quarts of oil. Much more than 7 Qts. and it just blows it out. Google "Wirthco 72300 Prop R Measure". Works great to measure a fluid then pour straight out of that container into the plane. I usually put in a few quarts of oil then all the Camguard then the rest of the oil. The engine will mix it up in short order.  

Good PIREP!  Come back and post more often.

[SKI]

Thanks! I've been lurking here since I started my PPL and discovered Mooney's in 2016. I guess I never had much to contribute but still always brouse. There's an amazing wealth of info here not just Mooney info. I'll probably have a Mooney someday and I like to keep in the loop. 

[0TreeLemur]

2 hours ago, SKI said:

Thanks! I've been lurking here since I started my PPL and discovered Mooney's in 2016. I guess I never had much to contribute but still always brouse. There's an amazing wealth of info here not just Mooney info. I'll probably have a Mooney someday and I like to keep in the loop. 

Glad you are here.  I've got a lot of time in brand C & P airplanes.   They have some really nice features.  My first flight in Mooney was in a 180 HP model M20C.  When I looked at the airspeed indicator I thought to myself "you gotta be kidding me!"   Going fast is addictive.   Doing it at only 10 gph or less is really satisfying.

There's another active thread here titled something like "if you decided to go experimental, what would it be?"   That is a really hard question because while Mooney's have a reputation of being cramped, there are very few experimental airplanes with 4 seats and luggage room that are affordable. 

All airplanes represent tradeoffs.  It's all about the mission.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, SKI said:

Thanks! I've been lurking here since I started my PPL and discovered Mooney's in 2016. I guess I never had much to contribute but still always brouse. There's an amazing wealth of info here not just Mooney info. I'll probably have a Mooney someday and I like to keep in the loop. 

Stick around, there’s loads to learn here and they’re a good group.  They even take a good ribbing from this Piper Comanche owner!

[Pinecone]

5 hours ago, SKI said:

I run Camguard in my Cherokee 180. I put in about 10.5-11 Oz. per 6.5 quarts of oil. Much more than 7 Qts. and it just blows it out. Google "Wirthco 72300 Prop R Measure". Works great to measure a fluid then pour straight out of that container into the plane. I usually put in a few quarts of oil then all the Camguard then the rest of the oil. The engine will mix it up in short order.  

 

I was just thinking of these.  I have seen other products in them.  Maybe we should ask CamGuard to offer their product in this package.

Thanks.

[SKI]

1 hour ago, M20Doc said:

Stick around, there’s loads to learn here and they’re a good group.  They even take a good ribbing from this Piper Comanche owner!

I bought my Cherokee from a broker at Lock Haven. He took me on a tour of the Piper museum. They have a Comanche 400 in the museum. What a Beast!! One of my A&P friends has a really nice Comanche 250 also. Their pretty cool planes as well.

[SKI]

1 hour ago, Pinecone said:

 

I was just thinking of these.  I have seen other products in them.  Maybe we should ask CamGuard to offer their product in this package.

Thanks.

It's a pretty perfect solution for Camguard. My buddy uses one to pre-mix the oil in his pontoon boat. That's how I found out about it.

[SKI]

3 hours ago, 0TreeLemur said:

Glad you are here.  I've got a lot of time in brand C & P airplanes.   They have some really nice features.  My first flight in Mooney was in a 180 HP model M20C.  When I looked at the airspeed indicator I thought to myself "you gotta be kidding me!"   Going fast is addictive.   Doing it at only 10 gph or less is really satisfying.

There's another active thread here titled something like "if you decided to go experimental, what would it be?"   That is a really hard question because while Mooney's have a reputation of being cramped, there are very few experimental airplanes with 4 seats and luggage room that are affordable. 

All airplanes represent tradeoffs.  It's all about the mission.

Yeah I do like experimental's as well. I'm in the early stages (150 Hours in so far) of building a Bearhawk Patrol. Kinda like an Avait Husky. I just got back from a trip from Pennsylvania to Florida and the Bahamas. A little more speed would be nice on trips and I've already started studying for my IR written. I definitely like the Lycoming 360 variants. Yeah the cams are a crap shoot but they are still pretty low cost in both maintenance and fuel burn. Hence my attraction to the J and earlier Mooney's

[SKI]

3 minutes ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

I just ordered one of these for like $7.50.  It’ll sure beat the plastic measuring cup I have been using, and cleaning, for a couple decades. Thanks for the tip.  

Glad I could contribute something useful. It really is slick as heck for what it's designed to do.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, SKI said:

I bought my Cherokee from a broker at Lock Haven. He took me on a tour of the Piper museum. They have a Comanche 400 in the museum. What a Beast!! One of my A&P friends has a really nice Comanche 250 also. Their pretty cool planes as well.

That’s  what I have, one of only two 400’s in Canada 

[Jim Peace]

Did someone mention Marvel Mystery Oil?  Hmmm….

[Pinecone]

1 hour ago, SKI said:

It's a pretty perfect solution for Camguard. My buddy uses one to pre-mix the oil in his pontoon boat. That's how I found out about it.

I went on the CamGuard page, used their Contact Me to suggest this to them.

[amillet]

The cam guard bottle has a translucent strip on one side with Ounce markers. Very easy to pour out the desired amount 

[0TreeLemur]

50 minutes ago, amillet said:

The cam guard bottle has a translucent strip on one side with Ounce markers. Very easy to pour out the desired amount 

My question is not about how to measure the correct amount.  I've got a graduated cylinder but I won't carry that around in my plane.   It'll make a mess.  Any old container will create a cleaning chore that I'd rather not deal with.  So I'm mostly interested in how folks do it.  As @bluehighwayflyer noted above, he's been using a technique that requires him to clean a container.   The special bottle referenced above by @SKIseems like a good idea.   Similar to the container that Stabil gasoline preservative comes in.  Interesting to hear how people do things.

[jetdriven]

The formula is something like 5% of the oil which works out to be about 13 ounces for 8qt.  so you can always round up another 3 ounces....I just put the whole bottle in a  Lycoming four-cylinder and the next couple quarts of  makeup oil you're covered. I am laser precise with most most things, but the 1.6 ounces per quart I am not. 

[Pinecone]

9 hours ago, amillet said:

The cam guard bottle has a translucent strip on one side with Ounce markers. Very easy to pour out the desired amount 

No, it tells you how much you did add.  It does show you how much AS you add.

The bottle linked above allows you to tilt and put a certain amount in the small part and then pour that into the engine or an oil bottle.  I like to add half a quart, then add the Cam Guard to the remaining, then shake and then add to engine.

[Nippernaper]

I just pour from the camguard bottle, and use the clear strip and oz markings to estimate the correct amount. A little more or less isnt going to hurt anything; we're not formulating medications here! No muss no fuss.


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