Guest Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Ned Gravel said: Cyril: I am not sure. 337s are completely verbotten, but @M20Doc (Clarence) will probably know. My understanding is that an FAA issued STC would be acceptable for us in Canada. One exception that I was aware of was an Australian STC which had an FAA STC issued based on the Aussie one. Neither was acceptable in Canada until Transport did a complete review. An FAA 337 block 3 sign off is not acceptable on a Canadian airplane, unless it was done before importation to Canada. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted December 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 Just a note for anyone looking for a decent C model in the future. My 66 C will be for sale later next year. I’ll be putting it on the market once the TruTrak autopilot is STC’d and installed. It will also have the SabreCowl Gen1 at a minimum but possibly Gen2. I’m doing an extensive annual and taking care of details in preparation for sale. Will be a great bird mechanically. David 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy95W Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 If you buy a Comanche 400 you're going to lose some street cred here at Mooneyspace... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted December 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, Andy95W said: If you buy a Comanche 400 you're going to lose some street cred here at Mooneyspace... I’m actually going to get out of airplane ownership. I have access to a couple of airplanes and am going to take advantage of that while I can. Also planning ahead for that R-word!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor05121 Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 That is gorgeous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 R words...? Rumor on the street... M20Rs don’t make great retirement planes... I hear M20Es do make great retirement planes! An M20E with a SabreCowl has already set a great precedent... Good luck with the next steps! Best regards, -a- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 R words...? Rumor on the street... M20Rs don’t make great retirement planes... I hear M20Es do make great retirement planes! An M20E with a SabreCowl has already set a great precedent... Good luck with the next steps! Best regards, -a- I'm thinking he is thinking RV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lloyd Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 I'm retired. Thinking of trading the RV for a Mooney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Andy95W said: If you buy a Comanche 400 you're going to lose some street cred here at Mooneyspace... But he’d gain some useful load, cruise speed and range! Some would say a worthwhile trade Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarmaster Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just a note for anyone looking for a decent C model in the future. My 66 C will be for sale later next year. I’ll be putting it on the market once the TruTrak autopilot is STC’d and installed. It will also have the SabreCowl Gen1 at a minimum but possibly Gen2. I’m doing an extensive annual and taking care of details in preparation for sale. Will be a great bird mechanically. David I flew Dave’s airplane around for a couple months while we were working on mine. I can tell you that it is probably the fastest C model out there.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 17 hours ago, M20Doc said: My understanding is that an FAA issued STC would be acceptable for us in Canada. One exception that I was aware of was an Australian STC which had an FAA STC issued based on the Aussie one. Neither was acceptable in Canada until Transport did a complete review. An FAA 337 block 3 sign off is not acceptable on a Canadian airplane, unless it was done before importation to Canada. Clarence This is an example of bureaucratic weenie wag at its finest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMooney Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 this would look good on my E, anyway to ballpark cost and time ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted December 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 43 minutes ago, McMooney said: this would look good on my E, anyway to ballpark cost and time ? Not at this time. Still some variables to work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 12/7/2018 at 6:56 PM, Sabremech said: Yes, there are coal flaps and they will connect to the existing linkage. So what does that do for us many C owners with factory fixed flaps? There is no lonkage to connect to, and no control in the cockpit to move the linkage that isn't there . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted December 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hank said: So what does that do for us many C owners with factory fixed flaps? There is no lonkage to connect to, and no control in the cockpit to move the linkage that isn't there . . . . Should be able fix them in the same position that the stock flaps are in. David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffy Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 15 hours ago, M20Doc said: But he’d gain some useful load, cruise speed and range! Some would say a worthwhile trade Clarence But he'd have to wait for the gas wagon to catch up at each stop :-) Kinda like Patton over running his supply lines. Conspicuously missing is any reference to us "D" models. The red headed step child of the Mooney world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DXB Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, Hank said: So what does that do for us many C owners with factory fixed flaps? There is no lonkage to connect to, and no control in the cockpit to move the linkage that isn't there . . . . 27 minutes ago, Sabremech said: Should be able fix them in the same position that the stock flaps are in. David When doing a mod this major, I'd try to use opportunity to install movable flaps. Their removal was one of the not so great changes on the '68 and later - no effect on speed but worsened cooling in an already crappy cowl design. My motivation for the change is cooling > speed > looks, so it would have to meet the first goal. I wonder if retrofit of movable cowl flaps can be included in the STC without much difficulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted December 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, DXB said: When doing a mod this major, I'd try to use opportunity to install movable flaps. Their removal was one of the not so great changes on the '68 and later - no effect on speed but worsened cooling in an already crappy cowl design. My motivation for the change is cooling > speed > looks, so it would have to meet the first goal. I wonder if retrofit of movable cowl flaps can be included in the STC without much difficulty. It adds some complexity and cost but wouldn’t be to difficult since it was on earlier models. I’d actually like to remove the cowl flaps like many of the new aircraft today, but that would require a lot of testing to confirm the data for the FAA. I don’t have the patience for that. David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcstealth Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 19 hours ago, Sabremech said: I’m actually going to get out of airplane ownership. I have access to a couple of airplanes and am going to take advantage of that while I can. Also planning ahead for that R-word!! R - Word???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mcstealth said: R - Word???? Everyone gets to retire at some point. I hope . . . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcstealth Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 43 minutes ago, Hank said: Everyone gets to retire at some point. I hope . . . . Well-duh on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 Owning a plane in retirement is a lot more fun than it was when I was working. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted December 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said: Owning a plane in retirement is a lot more fun than it was when I was working. Hi Bob, When I get to the R-word, I’m getting back into muscle cars. No FAA to deal with, just pure fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted December 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 Have one in my shop now! Think a 71-72 Demon will be next. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) On 12/7/2018 at 7:05 PM, David_H said: ...just needs exotic cowl plugs now. Nature inspired design? Looks to me like it was inspired by the late great Studebaker Bullet nose. I’m trying to imagine the “natural inspiration” to which you’re referring. Those three large protrusions would give new meaning to the term “Gross Anatomy”. Edited December 9, 2018 by Shadrach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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