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PTK Grand Master

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Seriously, you need to look at this from the prospective of the total newbie. If you were new to aviation and never went on a airplane internet forum and you had no friends that were pilots, might you not think that an airplane is pretty much just a simple car with wings? When you are thinking of buying a used car, do you Google the license plate number?

I flew for years (with half a brain) long before I ever went on a plane forum and I had no idea that so much information about each and every plane was available to anyone online until I was in forums like these. Why would I? It's not like it's information that is in the PPL course. I can't think of any other vehicle where records are kept open and public. Kind of wish they were, I'd like to look up some of my old cars.

A title search would turn up the name of the salvage company, but you would have to know enough to actually do a title search. If honest Jerry tells you the title is free and clear, you might not bother, just as you wouldn't bother with a pre purchase inspection. After all, Jerry's a mechanic right?

After frequenting the AOPA forums for years, I learned that there a fair number of guys on there that bought their first plane just this way. No pre-buy, no title search, no escrow account, just handshake and a check. It's more common than one would think. For some it worked out OK and for others it was a disaster. Were these guys idiots and morons that shouldn't be flying? I don't think so, they just learned about used vehicles and airplanes the hard way, that's all.

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danb35 Mentor

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I'm really getting annoyed that we are still discussing this!  I can't believe how naive people are!  If some one hands over a check for thousands of dollars (in this case it's probably ~ 45K !) blindly to someone  for anything without any research then YES they are complete idiots and morons!  They should not be flying!

PTK Grand Master

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It must not annoy you too much if you're still posting.  Now, let's suppose that the insurer's page describing the flooding with the plane was not available--exactly what research would you suggest that a prospective buyer should do?  You are, after all, the one throwing around names like "idiot" and "moron".  Presumably, then, there's something simple and obvious that anyone should know how to do that would disclose this history--what is it?

Of course, you're right that a (prospective) buyer should research a plane he's looking at--the flip side is that the seller needs to not lie about it, or actively conceal relevant facts.  That's called fraud, and it's grounds for significant civil (and possible criminal) liability.

RJBrown Mentor

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 This plane you guys all know about. Information is recent and available.


 Lets do a test. Without knowing it's prior N number can you find out information about N30EV ?


 I don't think it is as easy as suggested. When this plane was sold for the first time post swim AOPA gave it a clean bill of health. Each of the FIVE next owners bought it NOT knowing it was once a Submarine. Even with the old N number N1171J can you find evidence?


Fraud is fraud and it appears that the fraud perpetrated by "Planes Are Us" with N1171J is going to be repeated with this plane.


The longer and louder we can yell the better. Heck I posted a salvage pic of this one on Flightaware.

PTK Grand Master

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Quote: RJBrown

 This plane you guys all know about. Information is recent and available.

 Lets do a test. Without knowing it's prior N number can you find out information about N30EV ?

 I don't think it is as easy as suggested. When this plane was sold for the first time post swim AOPA gave it a clean bill of health. Each of the FIVE next owners bought it NOT knowing it was once a Submarine. Even with the old N number N1171J can you find evidence?

Fraud is fraud and it appears that the fraud perpetrated by "Planes Are Us" with N1171J is going to be repeated with this plane.

The longer and louder we can yell the better. Heck I posted a salvage pic of this one on Flightaware.

DaV8or Grand Master

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Who does that?  I have no sympathy for anyone who does this! They need to lift their little finger and do a little research on what they are about to buy.  Especially an airplane.   Does everything have to be done for them?  Do they bear any personal responsibility here?  God forbid something bad happens to an innocent passenger!  Isn't the pilot the final authority on the airworthiness of the aircraft?  Isn't this in the courses and tests we all took?  The idiot pilot buying an aicraft blindly like this is worst than the seller in this case. How can he take a passenger along in such an airplane knowing nothing about its history? 

RJBrown Mentor

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All smiles


You make it sound like it would take an idiot to get taken. Take my challenge. Find the underwater history of N30EV.


That plane sold 5+ times and lucky for each seller they all found an idiot to sell to.


But in the end it is Buyer Beware!

DaV8or Grand Master

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Our good guy Jerry seems to have killed his own son during his aircraft salvage operations hijinx back in the '90s. Quite an eye opening read as to his methodology and character. Anybody who buys this fateful Mooney could seriously be risking their lives IMO.


Jerry Pressley and the NTSB

thinwing Grand Master

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I really think its time to "give this topic a rest"Some on here are spending way to much time on the debate...just think ,if you spent the same energy on your next biannual or rating ,what you could acomplish,rather than when you disagree on a fellow mooney owners point of view....resort to personal attacks.....sinc kp couch

Becca Experienced

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Quote: DaV8or

Our good guy Jerry seems to have killed his own son during his aircraft salvage operations hijinx back in the '90s. Quite an eye opening read as to his methodology and character. Anybody who buys this fateful Mooney could seriously be risking their lives IMO.

Jerry Pressley and the NTSB

piperpainter Experienced

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i hope this jerry guy flies the airplane....This guy has issues. And I don't think we want to have a buy have an accident to take him down. Why do we have to have someone die for things to change.... Maybe we can stop it before someone dies. my 2 cents

jetdriven Grand Master

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OK well, here is a start, click on the "employee directory" link here:


http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/lou/contact/


 


also, the Southern region field office: 


http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/arc/ro_center/index.cfm?file_name=contact_us_southern


 


I;m going to send a nice email to every person on this list.  If a few other do as well, perhaps they will take action.  This isn't about money, it's about someone's life.

jetdriven Grand Master

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Why is the insurance company ,which I presume paid the initial claim, that sold this aircraft to recover some of thier pay out not  responsable for the disposition of this in a proper manner?

sleepingsquirrel Mentor

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Well , I had deleted my post after thinking that what someone does (insurance company), does not have a bearing on what someone else does(Jerry P.).  However , if the aircraft was not recoverable economically by the insurance company and it was sold at auction to the highest bidder with no value added what's the difference? I guess we are lucky that the parts/ electronics are in one airplane and not being sold among several aircraft with the potential for failure. There could be several deaths spread out over many different airframes if it was parted out  to the highest bidders. JPs offering started somewhere, Eve sinned, then Adam sinned, they were both considered guilty and both banished!

Shadrach Grand Master

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My biggest concern here is the avionics. This engine and airframe could be cleaned, inspected and returned to service, even though it will always have silt contamination.  However, I have serious doubts that all of the avionics/instruments were pulled and returned to the factory for cleaning/IRAN.  I would not want to fly this thing in the clag...

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