J Model Gauges in a C?

[LevelWing]

I'm about to have my panel re-done, including moving the gauges into a standard 6-pack configuration and moving some of the others around. Is it possible to install the gauges along the top in a C model? I understand this would require buying new gauges, if it's even possible. If not, I'll stick with the regular gauges, I'm just looking to be more efficient with the space I have. I won't be installing anything new right now, though an Insight Avionics G3 might go in at some point (thanks for showing me, gsxrpilot!).

[gsxrpilot]

Mine's actually a G2. :-)

[ArtVandelay]

I found these:

http://mitchellproducts.com/modular-gauge-frames/

[Marauder]

I'm about to have my panel re-done, including moving the gauges into a standard 6-pack configuration and moving some of the others around. Is it possible to install the gauges along the top in a C model? I understand this would require buying new gauges, if it's even possible. If not, I'll stick with the regular gauges, I'm just looking to be more efficient with the space I have. I won't be installing anything new right now, though an Insight Avionics G3 might go in at some point (thanks for showing me, gsxrpilot!).

If you are serious about putting a J style engine cluster in, let me know. You can have the ones I removed from my F. It is the same style as the early J models and all work...

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[Wakeup]

I'm interested too. I have the same problem. Troy

[Guest]

Other than quantity and range marks it should work.

Clarence

[DAVIDWH]

JPI 830,

Once and done.

[ArtVandelay]

JPI 830,

Once and done.

830 doesn't include amps, fuel pressure, or fuel tank levels not to mention it's not certified...maybe you meant 930.

[M20F-1968]

You will need an approval.  Forget field approvals as the FAA will not do it.  SW Texas aviation had an STC panel which allowed the use of the J model gauges but I do not think he is doing this any longer.  You can call Russell Stallings and ask if he will sell you the STC.  Otherwise, you can hire a DER who can give you the authority to use the J model gauges in your early model plane.  Or you can simply put in the JPI 830 or 930 which is the best route to take.

 

John Breda

[BigTex]

Are you sure the 201 gauges would even fit? My panel doesn't have any space for a row of guages.

[mooniac15u]

Some older Mooneys have had their gauge clusters replaced with Mitchell gauges. If you went that route you could probably customize the layout into a row instead of the square six-pack.

[LevelWing]

You will need an approval.  Forget field approvals as the FAA will not do it.  SW Texas aviation had an STC panel which allowed the use of the J model gauges but I do not think he is doing this any longer.  You can call Russell Stallings and ask if he will sell you the STC.  Otherwise, you can hire a DER who can give you the authority to use the J model gauges in your early model plane.  Or you can simply put in the JPI 830 or 930 which is the best route to take.

 

John Breda

 

I can't get a 337 approved for this? If it ends up being that big of a deal or costs a ton of money, I'll just keep the gauges where they're at. I was just looking to be a bit more efficient.

Like this?....I can take more pics if needed.

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That's exactly what I'm looking to do. Nice looking panel. 

[RobertGary1]

Would the FAA require the original engineering performance data for the approval since there is no other basis (STC, etc)?

[Alan Fox]

All the senders are different , its a major undertaking for very little reward,   You can get used Garwin clusters for parts for anywhere from 100 to 300 dollars , and a JPI will bring you into the 20th century....as long as you leave in the factory cluster you can install a non certified primary gage...will be much easier and cost effective....

[LevelWing]

All the senders are different , its a major undertaking for very little reward,   You can get used Garwin clusters for parts for anywhere from 100 to 300 dollars , and a JPI will bring you into the 20th century....as long as you leave in the factory cluster you can install a non certified primary gage...will be much easier and cost effective....

That's what I'm starting to lean towards. I didn't realize that replacing the gauges was such a task. Given the information in this thread, I may very well just lean towards the Insight Avionics G-series and leave the gauges where they are. They work fine and it's not a huge deal if they remain where they are. The Insight Avionics also gives the same information as the JPI but in a smaller package that takes up less space on the panel.

[MB65E]

The Insight g series can be primary replacement, at a lower cost than JPI.

The SWTA panel STC used the 201 gauges. I have the STC but wanted drawings on the cluster I have. I had a few Inoped items...I called them, all the drawings were lost in a tornado and lost all the data.

I would not install the J gauges unless you already had them in the panel. Same issues as the old clusters. Best bet is to bring the airplane into the 21st century.

-Matt

[HRM]

Get an MVP-50. Does it all and then some.

 

The CDI will move when I upgrade my pilot side. My IA wouldn't let me take out the tach.