Garmin Pilot disappointment

[Jackk]

3 hours ago, McMooney said:

my new gnc355a shutoff while i was on approach to kgpt, full ifr, pitch black over the ocean,  scared the shit out of me, glad i had the tablet at that moment.

 

 

2 hours ago, skykrawler said:

And then there was that time for the return flight from Florida when the GNS 530 came up with a black screen when the avionics were turned on.   On a Friday, after Christmas.

Looks like Foreflight provides primary navigation up the coast to the Mid Atlantic running on an iPad and iPhone for backup.

 

 

 So were you flying under IFR off a Apple iPad?

 

 

This video is a year or so old, but interesting pertaining to that subject 

 

 I wonder how common that practice is 

 

 IMO if my primary nav went out I’d be talking to ATC, if IMC Id declare, trying to shoot a approach in actual using a consumer grade tablet would be one of the last cards I’d play under my emergency authority 

[Hank]

20 minutes ago, Jackk said:

Evening check-in @Will.iam  got that screen shot or link?

I'm not Will, but it didn't take me long to find this:

On 12/24/2025 at 12:22 PM, Jackk said:

Just curious how many of you have the iPad on for the approach?

 

 I just brief the box, let course, kind, etc and then turn the screen off and stow it, really you shouldn’t need it for much else at that point 

 

 For a 3hr flight the screen is on maybe 10-15min

Sounds like what you're looking for.

CAN WE NOW STOP THE PISSING CONTEST THAT THIS THREAD HAS TURNED INTO???

[Jackk]

44 minutes ago, Hank said:

I'm not Will, but it didn't take me long to find this:

Sounds like what you're looking for.

CAN WE NOW STOP THE PISSING CONTEST THAT THIS THREAD HAS TURNED INTO???

Did you read that before you quoted it??

Minus some phone typos, this is pretty self explanatory

"I just brief the box"

I said brief the box with the iPad and then turn the iPad off, thus all the info is on the box that's mounted right infront of you

For those non experienced in aviation "the box" is going to be your FMS, or in the case of lots of the garmins and the like many here have the flight plan page or inset

No where in that comment did I say to shoot a aprch off memory

 

 And no, @Will.I.Am accuses me of lying, well maybe he’s not from the parts of TX I know, but you don’t go make that accusation if you can’t back it up, and what you quoted sure doesn’t back that up 

Edited Friday at 11:32 PM by Jackk

[LANCECASPER]

1) He starts out by proving that he is so gifted that he can do an approach from memory:






2) Then when everyone says “that’s so stupid why would anyone ever do that or teach that?”- then he says “I would never memorize or tell someone to memorize a plate.”

I wish he would just make up his mind - is he:

1) a narcissist that craves the admiration of his superior skills?

2) a completely spineless person that caves on his beliefs the minute he gets any resistance?

Just pick one @Jackk

[Hank]

18 minutes ago, Jackk said:

I said brief the box with the iPad and then turn the iPad off, thus all the info is on the box that's mounted right infront of you

For those non experienced in aviation "the box" is going to be your FMS, or in the case of lots of the garmins and the like many here have the flight plan page or inset

I've never flown a General Aviation plane that shows all way points, altitudes and frequencies on the display. And I've never darkened the doorway of an airliner that does . . . Most of thise fancy avionics were developed after 9/11, and we are since barred from the cockpit, even on the ground.  So yes, I keep the approach plate open on my tablet in my lap, and I refer to it periodically between being cleared for the approach and landing. It then automatically changes to the airport diagram, but I rarely visit places large enough that I need it.

You also posted that you jot notes for things not in your display. Why bother doing that, when it's all clearly typed right there on the approach plate? The KISS principle says look at the plate, and I have better things to do than record things that I'm already looking at.

For the uninitiated, that's Keep It Simple, Stupid!!

[Jackk]

5 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

1) He starts out by proving that he is so gifted that he can do an approach from memory:






2) Then when everyone says “that’s so stupid why would anyone ever do that or teach that?”- then he says “I would never memorize or tell someone to memorize a plate.”

I wish he would just make up his mind - is he:

1) a narcissist that craves the admiration of his superior skills?

2) a completely spineless person that caves on his beliefs the minute he gets any resistance?

Just pick one @Jackk

 That’s your smoking gun…come on man

 

No I don’t look at the again BECAUSE I BRIEFED THE BOX AND ALL THE DATA IS IN THE FMS/GPS

[Jackk]

9 minutes ago, Hank said:

I've never flown a General Aviation plane that shows all way points, altitudes and frequencies on the display. And I've never darkened the doorway of an airliner that does . . . Most of thise fancy avionics were developed after 9/11, and we are since barred from the cockpit, even on the ground.  So yes, I keep the approach plate open on my tablet in my lap, and I refer to it periodically between being cleared for the approach and landing. It then automatically changes to the airport diagram, but I rarely visit places large enough that I need it.

You also posted that you jot notes for things not in your display. Why bother doing that, when it's all clearly typed right there on the approach plate? The KISS principle says look at the plate, and I have better things to do than record things that I'm already looking at.

For the uninitiated, that's Keep It Simple, Stupid!!

 What did you fly???

 I’ve flown Boeing products, prolines, Garmin panels, etc, showing the waypoint with distance, time and altitude is pretty basic common, especially in even remotely recent times. 
 

 Having frequencies displayed was common on pretty much everything.

Edited Saturday at 12:06 AM by Jackk

[Hank]

3 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 What did you fly???

 I’ve flown Boeing products, prolines, Garmin panels, etc, showing the waypoint with distance, time and altitude is pretty basic common, especially in even remotely recent times. 
 

 Having frequencies displayed was common on pretty much everything.

I fly a Mooney, not an airliner. My Garmin 430 WAAS doesn't show any of that stuff, and doesn't need to--it's all on the approach plate (printed or electronic), right there in my field of view. 

What avionics are in YOUR Mooney???

[Jackk]

1 minute ago, Hank said:

I fly a Mooney, not an airliner. My Garmin 430 WAAS doesn't show any of that stuff, and doesn't need to--it's all on the approach plate (printed or electronic), right there in my field of view. 

What avionics are in YOUR Mooney???

 This is much easier if you read the thread before commenting Hank.

 

 I clearly said this does NOT work on 430s and the like that NO NOT SHOW ALTITUDES

 

 Tons of avionics from GA to transport cat do this 

 

 

 

[Hank]

Hey, @Jackk, you didn't answer the question!

43 minutes ago, Hank said:

What avionics are in YOUR Mooney???

 

[Jackk]

1 minute ago, Hank said:

Hey, @Jackk, you didn't answer the question!

 

 The TBM (closest to a Mooney) I was flying for work was a G3000

 Currently fly a Honeywell for work 

 

 I also teach on the side, seems more and more are sporting the GTN garmins 

 

 One of my planes has a Garmin stack, the other doesn’t even have a electric system 

 

The method I mentioned is the best way to fly boxes that have VNAV/altitude for waypoints, it  DOES NOT work the same on boxes like the 430 that lacks that altitude per waypoint  abilities 

[Hank]

11 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 The TBM (closest to a Mooney) I was flying for work was a G3000

 Currently fly a Honeywell for work 

 

 I also teach on the side, seems more and more are sporting the GTN garmins 

 

 One of my planes has a Garmin stack, the other doesn’t even have a electric system 

 

The method I mentioned is the best way to fly boxes that have VNAV/altitude for waypoints, it  DOES NOT work the same on boxes like the 430 that lacks that altitude per waypoint  abilities 

OK, so no Mooney, just a nice turboprop. Sounds like you're saying our apples aren't as good as your watermelons, 'cause what you fly is much more different than just oranges. And your no-elecfrical-system plane doesn't fly instrument approaches, so also not comparable.

I'm outa here.

[Jackk]

Just now, Hank said:

OK, so no Mooney, just a nice turboprop. Sounds like you're saying our apples aren't as good as your watermelons, 'cause what you fly is much more different than just oranges. And your no-elecfrical-system plane doesn't fly instrument approaches, so also not comparable.

I'm outa here.

 I own piston planes 

 

 Recently trained a guy in a vintage plane worth far less than the average Mooney on here that had a GTN with the altitude VNAV abilities I’m talking about 

 

 Sorry your image of me doesn’t hold water 

[Jackk]

Here’s a GTN in a C152…

 

 

Here’s a PA24 with a GTN

 

 

 it’s not exactly exotic 

[Bartman]

I read the pilot age and insurance thread.
I read this thread.
Mooneyspace has gone downhill. 

[Rick Junkin]

7 minutes ago, Bartman said:

I read the pilot age and insurance thread.
I read this thread.
Mooneyspace has gone downhill. 

The “ignore” function really helps to preserve the posts worth reading while suppressing those that are not. Be sure to check all of the boxes when you use it. It will bring Mooneyspace back up the hill for you.

[LANCECASPER]

1 minute ago, Rick Junkin said:

The “ignore” function really helps to preserve the posts worth reading while suppressing those that are not. Be sure to check all of the boxes when you use it. It will bring Mooneyspace back up the hill for you.

A few times over the years there have been a handful of people that have come on Mooneyspace that made me question whether the site is even worthwhile anymore. Of the three that I’ve ignored, most recently @Jackk, blocking all of their garbage posts takes away their power to destroy the site for me and brings the pleasure back of being here. It’s a wonderful feature that I hope I don’t have to use too often.

[Jackk]

It’s ridiculous, I share a solid briefing technique, get labeled a bullshitter, stand my ground, and suddenly I’m the villain. Laughable.

 

Yet here we are, taking advice from weekend warriors tapping iPads in critical phases, hobbyists playing pilot, folks claiming airliner status who don’t appear to LVSA

 

Truth is, I’m done with people who muzzle themselves or sling accusations like “liar” without a shred of proof to back it.

 

 Enjoy your windshield full of consumer electronics 

 

@Will.iam any luck on that quote or screen shot?   Didn’t think so  

[midlifeflyer]

9 hours ago, Bartman said:

I read the pilot age and insurance thread.
I read this thread.
Mooneyspace has gone downhill. 

I’ve been hanging out in online groups almost as long as I’ve been involved in aviation, back to the rec.aviation usenet groups in the 1990s.  I have learned an incredible amount from them but have also seen a a lot of BS. Bottom line, I think in any online group, one has to be discerning. Separate the wheat from the chaff.  Opinion from verifiable fact. Requirement from preference. Trust but verify. 

Most every discussion with different viewpoints  will ultimately devolve into nonsense.  Insults, challenges to competence and its reverse, unsolicited statements of credentials intended to claim nonexistent authority, tit for tat, and the like. There are clues. You can join in the fun and games or move along to another discussion  

As far as I can tell, MooneySpace has not gone downhill. Specific threads will. Even in the best of  places. 

[midlifeflyer]

12 hours ago, Hank said:

OK, so no Mooney, just a nice turboprop. Sounds like you're saying our apples aren't as good as your watermelons, 'cause what you fly is much more different than just oranges. And your no-elecfrical-system plane doesn't fly instrument approaches, so also not comparable.

I'm outa here.

To be fair, Hank, while I disagree with Jack, avionics use really has very little to do with the airframe. If I’m teaching operating practices for [pick you favorite avionics setup] whether it’s a Mooney or a Diamond, or a Cessna, or a Bonanza, or a Piper or a Tecnam or something I haven’t been in doesn’t really make any difference. What you do with the airplane, definitely. But what you do with the box, no.

[Aaviationist]

18 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said:

To be fair, Hank, while I disagree with Jack, avionics use really has very little to do with the airframe. If I’m teaching operating practices for [pick you favorite avionics setup] whether it’s a Mooney or a Diamond, or a Cessna, or a Bonanza, or a Piper or a Tecnam or something I haven’t been in doesn’t really make any difference. What you do with the airplane, definitely. But what you do with the box, no.

No. The trick is to memorize the entire plate in about 15 seconds. Anyone with an IQ above 80 should be able to do this and if you can’t you shouldn’t be able to get your pilots license. 

[Hank]

21 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said:

To be fair, Hank, while I disagree with Jack, avionics use really has very little to do with the airframe. If I’m teaching operating practices for [pick you favorite avionics setup] whether it’s a Mooney or a Diamond, or a Cessna, or a Bonanza, or a Piper or a Tecnam or something I haven’t been in doesn’t really make any difference. What you do with the airplane, definitely. But what you do with the box, no.

But installed avionics are often different between piston singles and turboprop. Does yours show the altitudes for every waypoint on approach?

[LANCECASPER]

But installed avionics are often different between piston singles and turboprop. Does yours show the altitudes for every waypoint on approach?

Even if the box has the altitudes, that’s great but just a fraction of the other features on the approach plate - all in one place with no knob twisting, not to mention the geo-referencing if you’re using that feature.





And since this thread started out talking about Garmin Pilot, the Smart Charts make it even easier.

[midlifeflyer]

4 hours ago, Hank said:

But installed avionics are often different between piston singles and turboprop. Does yours show the altitudes for every waypoint on approach?

If I'm flying with a GTN or G1000, yes, except for the DA/MAP. Displaying waypoint altitudes is part of VNAV capability.

[Jackk]

2 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

If I'm flying with a GTN or G1000, yes, except for the DA/MAP. Displaying waypoint altitudes is part of VNAV capability.

 Many of the G1000 and on, G6, G3X, G500, GI275, the popular aspens all allow you to set mins 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 It’s also interesting in many of the avionics upgrades I’ve seen with this type of equipment, they don’t end up getting a TOGA button put in

 

Edited Saturday at 08:38 PM by Jackk
 (not sure why this quote fell off the pic post