If you need/want the OEM 40:1 Gear Set

[Texas Mooney]

4 hours ago, Matthew P said:

Then they need to get off their dead azz and provide alternative solutions for an aging fleet seeing how their charter is safety...supposedly

Stop blaming the FAA.  The problem is Mooney.   In October 2020 the CEO told Mooney Flyer magazine "Supporting the existing fleet remains the new owners’ top priority."  Yet in 2024 they have time to manufacture parts for other aircraft companies and to talk about it.

Duh.

2020-OctTMF.pdf (themooneyflyer.com)  Page 4

 

[Matthew P]

7 minutes ago, Texas Mooney said:

Stop blaming the FAA.  The problem is Mooney.   In October 2020 the CEO told Mooney Flyer magazine "Supporting the existing fleet remains the new owners’ top priority."  Yet in 2024 they have time to manufacture parts for other aircraft companies and to talk about it.

Duh.

2020-OctTMF.pdf (themooneyflyer.com)  Page 4

 

Not blaming them but if there are no parts available and they want to chime in, at the end of it they either need to share a viable solution or STFU.

[Texas Mooney]

2 minutes ago, Matthew P said:

Not blaming them but if there are no parts available and they want to chime in, at the end of it they either need to share a viable solution or STFU.

I am not sure where you are coming from with the comment "and they want to chime in" or "share a viable solution".  The FAA has created a viable solution.  The FAA will respond to your request for approval (i.e. 'chime in" after you initiate).  Go make your part.  You may be able to get it approved and put it on your plane. If it fails that is between you and your insurance company (although they may not know that you are exposing them to the liability of an unproven part)

The issue is that the FAA is not going to bless OPP made parts that are intended to be sold to others.  But if you want to get a PMA and sell gears they will likely approve that.

[Matthew P]

1 minute ago, Texas Mooney said:

I am not sure where you are coming from with the comment "and they want to chime in" or "share a viable solution".  The FAA has created a viable solution.  The FAA will respond to your request for approval (i.e. 'chime in" after you initiate).  Go make your part.  You may be able to get it approved and put it on your plane. If it fails that is between you and your insurance company (although they may not know that you are exposing them to the liability of an unproven part)

The issue is that the FAA is not going to bless OPP made parts that are intended to be sold to others.  But if you want to get a PMA and sell gears they will likely approve that.

For the 5th time, I am not going to manufacture or sell parts...but I can understand how people keep assuming that..

[Texas Mooney]

Just now, Matthew P said:

For the 5th time, I am not going to manufacture or sell parts...but I can understand how people keep assuming that..

Then what is your issue with the FAA?  I applaud your effort to contact the so far unresponsive Mooney management and beg them to take cold hard cash in advance to place an order with their supplier for a part/product which Mooney controls the intellectual property (design specs).  

But there is nothing stopping your from making the gear per OPP guidelines and if approved, install it on your plane and report back here.  What am I missing?

[outermarker]

An investment firm....enough said! Look what happened within 30 days after an investment firm bought Hartzel...50% price increase. 

[Lee G.]

Add me as one more person interested in a set of gears.

[Matthew P]

20 minutes ago, Lee G. said:

Add me as one more person interested in a set of gears.

will do, thanks.

[Ragsf15e]

55 minutes ago, Matthew P said:

will do, thanks.

Many of us do appreciate you going through all this and dealing with the naysayers/complaints/negativity.  Hopefully there is eventually a way we can keep these Dukes planes going (without significant $$ to convert to something else).

[Matthew P]

19 minutes ago, Ragsf15e said:

Many of us do appreciate you going through all this and dealing with the naysayers/complaints/negativity.  Hopefully there is eventually a way we can keep these Dukes planes going (without significant $$ to convert to something else).

Thanks, still waiting to hear back from Mr. Pollack, will text him tomorrow

[tony]

On 6/24/2024 at 11:10 PM, Matthew P said:

Thanks, still waiting to hear back from Mr. Pollack, will text him tomorrow

Just wondering if you have asked for the engineering?

Edited August 2, 2024 by tony

[Matthew P]

Yep, they won't release but I found an area in the regs where they may have to turn them over if they no longer produce the part, has to be requested through the FAA, currently working that piece as well

[varlajo]

On 6/24/2024 at 6:52 PM, Matthew P said:

will do, thanks.

Please add me too, conditional on non-astronomical price. Thank you for your efforts!

[Matthew P]

Making progress, Spoke to the CEO yesterday, Mooney has agreed to make a run of parts, Mr. Pollack is checking on a few last things, then word will go out to the Mooney Service Centers and Lasar abought it as there will be a limited time period to place orders. All order requests will have to go through an MSC or Lasar..DO NOT call them yet. Still looking at pricing and lead times, hopefully I will hear back from Mr. Pollack later this week or the first part of next week. Will keep you all posted

Edited July 10, 2024 by Matthew P

[tony]

14 minutes ago, Matthew P said:

Making progress, Spoke to the CEO yesterday, Mooney has agreed to make a run of parts, Mr. Pollack is checking on a few last things, then word will go out to the Mooney Service Centers and Lasar abought it as there will be a limited time period to place orders. All order requests will have to go through an MSC or Lasar..DO NOT call them yet. Still looking at pricing and lead times, hopefully I will hear back from Mr. Pollack later this week or the first part of next week. Will keep you all posted

Matthew, thank you for making the business case to Mr. Pollack.  Without your leadership, this would never have gotten this far.  

[Pinecone]

Would suggest you mention doing a similar thing for other unobtainable parts that are in demand.

[PT20J]

4 hours ago, Matthew P said:

Making progress, Spoke to the CEO yesterday, Mooney has agreed to make a run of parts, Mr. Pollack is checking on a few last things, then word will go out to the Mooney Service Centers and Lasar abought it as there will be a limited time period to place orders. All order requests will have to go through an MSC or Lasar..DO NOT call them yet. Still looking at pricing and lead times, hopefully I will hear back from Mr. Pollack later this week or the first part of next week. Will keep you all posted

Just to be clear, Lasar is a MSC. There is nothing special except that that previous owner made a decision to focus on selling parts and used to stock a lot of inventory. Every MSC can order parts from Mooney and they all pay the same price but set their own retail prices. Lately Lasar has been raising its retail prices so it pays to shop around.

[AgFlyer]

I am interested in the gear set- 1974 M20F in North Texas

Has any headway been made with this? Is there anything we, associated Mooney Pilots, can do to help the effort OP? 

[Echo]

1 hour ago, AgFlyer said:

I am interested in the gear set- 1974 M20F in North Texas

Has any headway been made with this? Is there anything we, associated Mooney Pilots, can do to help the effort OP? 

Yes.  Read this page and you will be updated.

[AgFlyer]

5 hours ago, Echo said:

Yes.  Read this page and you will be updated.

I feel very dumb for not getting to the last page haha. I read 3 pages of bad news and the silver lining was on page 4! Thanks Matthew P for going to great lengths for us. I am definitely interested in a set of gears for my 74 M20F. 

[M Terry]

Has anyone converted their bird with electric gear to a Johnson Bar?

 

[AgFlyer]

On 7/10/2024 at 6:19 AM, Matthew P said:

Making progress, Spoke to the CEO yesterday, Mooney has agreed to make a run of parts, Mr. Pollack is checking on a few last things, then word will go out to the Mooney Service Centers and Lasar abought it as there will be a limited time period to place orders. All order requests will have to go through an MSC or Lasar..DO NOT call them yet. Still looking at pricing and lead times, hopefully I will hear back from Mr. Pollack later this week or the first part of next week. Will keep you all posted

Hey MatthewP, did you end up hearing back from Mr. Pollack about this?

[Matthew P]

56 minutes ago, AgFlyer said:

Hey MatthewP, did you end up hearing back from Mr. Pollack about this?

We have had a few condos, I'm waiting to hear back from our last one, he was going to talk to Don Maxwell

[MikeOH]

12 minutes ago, Matthew P said:

We have had a few condos, I'm waiting to hear back from our last one, he was going to talk to Don Maxwell

Would it be unreasonable to suggest Mooney is trying to make sure the order quantity is large enough?  If so, any idea how many we are looking at as an attractive minimum buy?  10, 50, 100??

[Matthew P]

1 hour ago, MikeOH said:

Would it be unreasonable to suggest Mooney is trying to make sure the order quantity is large enough?  If so, any idea how many we are looking at as an attractive minimum buy?  10, 50, 100??

Lol, I've asked the question but haven't gotten an answer...I will tell you this, I believe Mr. Pollack has been honest with me, Mooney is in a precarious position right now and he's looking into what can be done, if it can be done to support our request...I think some of the issues may be MSC related, so he's reaching out to them as well as we can't order directly from Mooney but have to go through the MSCs, so we have to get their buy-in as well....there is also a dual issue of the actuator motors, similar to the gear issue...if you have good gears but a bad motor, you can't get the motor, if you have bad gears but a good motor, you can't get the gears, same result...AOG...I asked if the current actuator on the newer mooneys would work on the older acft and if there would be any modifications necessary to install them, only response back is that they are 24v actuators, so they have not answered my initial question, I told them there is a workaround to get a 24v actuator to work on a 12v system, but they won't answer my question...so, Mr Pollack was to have a phone conversation with Don Maxwell, I'm waiting to hear back to see where the issue stands.