NTSB Releases GA Accident Dashboard

[hammdo]

https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/data/Pages/GeneralAviationDashboard.aspx
 

-Don

[Fly Boomer]

  On 2/23/2023 at 6:01 AM, hammdo said:

https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/data/Pages/GeneralAviationDashboard.aspx
 

-Don

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A quick look around the database shows about 200 Mooney crashes in the 10 years from 2012 through 2021.  I hope it's actually that low.  Probably some never make it to the NTSB database.
 

[hais]

There was a thread here pointing out that engine failure rates are higher than what we like to believe. The dashboard appears to confirm that. 

I'm very surprised that this is the second major cause after loss of control. 

On the bright side, the majority were non-fatal : this should motivate us to practice engine out procedures a lot more. 

[1980Mooney]

  On 2/24/2023 at 10:39 PM, Fly Boomer said:

A quick look around the database shows about 200 Mooney crashes in the 10 years from 2012 through 2021.  I hope it's actually that low.  Probably some never make it to the NTSB database.

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Correct - there are many more.

If you combine the first 2 pages of the database and filter it to show only Mooney

• There were 183 Mooney accidents investigated by the NTSB. 
• 56 of the accidents were shown as Fatal
• No accidents outside the USA are listed
• Aviation Safety Network database which includes international shows 74 fatal Mooney accidents.

The FAA keeps a list of incidents/accidents that are not fatal in the USA. These accidents are investigated but with much less rigor and effort than the NTSB. (ASIAS database)

• There were 519 incidents/accidents listed by the FAA
• Most were in the Landing Phase (gear ups) but there are some engine outs and take off incidents. 
  • 285 Landing Phase: Touchdown
  • 65 Laning Phase: Rollout

I would attach the files but it won't let me.  

[Fly Boomer]

  On 2/25/2023 at 10:00 AM, 1980Mooney said:

Correct - there are many more.

If you combine the first 2 pages of the database and filter it to show only Mooney

• There were 183 Mooney accidents investigated by the NTSB. 
• 56 of the accidents were shown as Fatal
• No accidents outside the USA are listed
• Aviation Safety Network database which includes international shows 74 fatal Mooney accidents.

The FAA keeps a list of incidents/accidents that are not fatal in the USA. These accidents are investigated but with much less rigor and effort than the NTSB. (ASIAS database)

• There were 519 incidents/accidents listed by the FAA
• Most were in the Landing Phase (gear ups) but there are some engine outs and take off incidents. 
  • 285 Landing Phase: Touchdown
  • 65 Laning Phase: Rollout

I would attach the files but it won't let me.  

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Did you get all that from the NTSB database linked by @hammdo above?  I downloaded the Excel file, filtered for all the various names Mooney has used over the decades, and only found 212 records for the entire 10 years.  I was not able to filter for Mooney using the web UI -- I only found that data field in the Excel file.

[81X]

  On 2/25/2023 at 7:08 AM, hais said:

There was a thread here pointing out that engine failure rates are higher than what we like to believe. The dashboard appears to confirm that. 

I'm very surprised that this is the second major cause after loss of control. 

On the bright side, the majority were non-fatal : this should motivate us to practice engine out procedures a lot more. 

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IMO, it probably also highlights some of the neglect for our fuel systems- with our non-training aircraft regularly going well over 10 years before overhaul, that’s a long time for the rubber and other non-metal parts soaked in gasoline before they need replacing.  I couldn’t believe how bad my components were after 13 years on what I would call a very well maintained and operated aircraft.   
 

I think we probably need to put a greater focus on the calendar as our average flight hours per year changes.  

[1980Mooney]

  On 2/25/2023 at 12:42 PM, Fly Boomer said:

Did you get all that from the NTSB database linked by @hammdo above?  I downloaded the Excel file, filtered for all the various names Mooney has used over the decades, and only found 212 records for the entire 10 years.  I was not able to filter for Mooney using the web UI -- I only found that data field in the Excel file.

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Yes you are right - I didn't capture the name changes - 212.  However it shows only one accident outside the US which is not accurate.  Fatalities are now 60 which is still well short of the global numbers on Aviation Safety Network.

[1980Mooney]

Revised

If you combine the first 2 pages of the database and filter it to show Mooney, Mooney Airplane Co and Mooney Aircraft Co

• There were 212 Mooney accidents investigated by the NTSB. 
• 60 of the accidents were shown as Fatal
• Only one accident outside the USA is listed which is not accurate (for instance nothing shown for Canada)
• Aviation Safety Network database which includes international shows 74 Fatal Mooney accidents.

The FAA keeps a list of incidents/accidents that are not fatal in the USA. These accidents are investigated but with much less rigor and effort than the NTSB. (ASIAS database).  They are Not included in the NTSB Accident data - there is no overlap.

• There were 519 Mooney incidents/accidents listed by the FAA in addition to the NTSB 212.
  • 731 Mooney incidents and accidents in total involving damage.
  • Not all gear up landings are known to or recorded by the FAA so the true number is higher.
• Most of the FAA ASIAS incidents/accidents were in the Landing Phase (gear ups) but there are some engine outs and take off incidents. 
  • 285 Landing Phase: Touchdown
  • 65 Landing Phase: Rollout
  • An additional 48 of the NTSB Mooney accidents were in the Landing Phase (they are separate because they resulted in injury or greater damage)
• Statistics outside the US will drive all these numbers higher

Edited February 25, 2023 by 1980Mooney