Little Dipper Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 My new panel is complete thanks to Chris and his two friends at Sure Flight. Have 2 G5's and a GFC500 tied into a GTN750 along with a GTN650, G345R, and another G5 on the right side. My next budget buster is going to be a new paint job. Going to put a few hours on her this week and memorize every square inch of this auto pilot's capabilities but so far I am really pleased with how crispness of its tracking compared to the KFC 150 it replaced that had 2,700 hours on it. 7 1 Quote
LevelWing Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 Great looking panel. That should serve you well into the future. Quote
irishpilot Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 please tell us about your thoughts on switching to twin G5s. It all looks great! I'm thinking about doing that in my Bravo. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Quote
StevenL757 Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 Very nice panel indeed. One suggestion for @Little Dipper (given it's a slow business day), that RPM looks awfully low. I suggest keeping to 2500RPM in any phase of flight. You only lose out on available power at this RPM...you don't gain anything. Your cylinders also do not gain any appreciable life, nor are you prolonging their life by dialing back the RPM this far in cruise, so again, consider bumping that up to 2500RPM. When (and if) you move to the 310HP STC, you'll want 2550 as your cruise RPM. Again, a slow day for me. But a gorgeous panel start for you. :-) Steve 1 Quote
Little Dipper Posted August 31, 2020 Author Report Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said: 3 G5s? There are two on the left side. One set up as an FD and the other as a HSI. I previously had a G5 mounted on the co-pilot side. I enjoy right seat flying. Edited August 31, 2020 by Little Dipper Quote
Little Dipper Posted August 31, 2020 Author Report Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, StevenL757 said: Very nice panel indeed. One suggestion for @Little Dipper (given it's a slow business day), that RPM looks awfully low. I suggest keeping to 2500RPM in any phase of flight. You only lose out on available power at this RPM...you don't gain anything. Your cylinders also do not gain any appreciable life, nor are you prolonging their life by dialing back the RPM this far in cruise, so again, consider bumping that up to 2500RPM. When (and if) you move to the 310HP STC, you'll want 2550 as your cruise RPM. Again, a slow day for me. But a gorgeous panel start for you. :-) Steve Great suggestion but I only use 22/17mp when I am loitering or spying. I put in a factory new 310hp IO 350G previously. Quote
Little Dipper Posted August 31, 2020 Author Report Posted August 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, irishpilot said: please tell us about your thoughts on switching to twin G5s. It all looks great! I'm thinking about doing that in my Bravo. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk It is too early for me to give advice on the twin G5s. But I like the way they are set up. They contain a lot of info between the two of them. Kind of getting a six pack of beer in only two cans. 1 Quote
ArtVandelay Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 There are two on the left side. One set up as an FD and the other as a HSI. I previously had a G5 mounted on the co-pilot side. I enjoy right seat flying. So that’s a second AI, is it connected to 1 or 2 NAV? Quote
StevenL757 Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 53 minutes ago, Little Dipper said: Great suggestion but I only use 22/17mp when I am loitering or spying. I put in a factory new 310hp IO 350G previously. Gotcha, but regardless, you want to be controlling low-speed flight like that with MP, not RPM. In the event you need to add power immediately, you want the RPM set to full forward (or as close to it as possible). Anything less, and you run the risk of not being able to have power available as quick as you'd like. Again, not nitpicking, but sharing a best-practice operating technique from the guy who co-designed the IO550 platform and also created the 310HP STC (Bob Minnis). 1 1 Quote
Missile=Awesome Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, StevenL757 said: Gotcha, but regardless, you want to be controlling low-speed flight like that with MP, not RPM. In the event you need to add power immediately, you want the RPM set to full forward (or as close to it as possible). Anything less, and you run the risk of not being able to have power available as quick as you'd like. Again, not nitpicking, but sharing a best-practice operating technique from the guy who co-designed the IO550 platform and also created the 310HP STC (Bob Minnis). Now this 2550rpm is surfacing in multiple places Nice to have a name Bob Minnis) to go with the 310hp STC...-a- did not provide in another thread... Very nice panel. Enjoy Quote
Little Dipper Posted August 31, 2020 Author Report Posted August 31, 2020 3 hours ago, StevenL757 said: Gotcha, but regardless, you want to be controlling low-speed flight like that with MP, not RPM. In the event you need to add power immediately, you want the RPM set to full forward (or as close to it as possible). Anything less, and you run the risk of not being able to have power available as quick as you'd like. Again, not nitpicking, but sharing a best-practice operating technique from the guy who co-designed the IO550 platform and also created the 310HP STC (Bob Minnis). Thanks, I'll take all the advice I can get especially when it is from an expert when it is free. Quote
Little Dipper Posted August 31, 2020 Author Report Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, ArtVandelay said: So that’s a second AI, is it connected to 1 or 2 NAV? Neither, I use the third G5 on the Co-Pilot side as an Altitude Indicator only when flying from the right seat. When I had the KFC 150 I would use the KFC 150 FD along with the GTN 750 when shooting an approach from the right seat easy to do even though it is on the left. Sadly, the pilots manual for the GFC 500/G5 states it is to be used from the left seat only. Edited August 31, 2020 by Little Dipper Quote
carusoam Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Missile=Awesome said: Now this 2550rpm is surfacing in multiple places Nice to have a name Bob Minnis) to go with the 310hp STC...-a- did not provide in another thread... Very nice panel. Enjoy Sorry Scott, My memory isn’t strong enough to remember some of the important names... Bob Minnis is the IO550 guy... his track record runs incredibly deep... and has been known to take phone calls... StevenL has been in constant contact with Mr. Minnis over the years... and has delivered some of the most interesting insight on IO550 ops like the post above... I am sure Mr. Minnis has the insight on your CHT challenge... The IO550 can be an incredibly powerful engine with fuel and rpm... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
carusoam Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 LD, Sorry, I got side tracked... Fantastic panel pics! I thought you got a G5 for your right seater... It turns out, you are the right seater... Great pirep for SureFlight... aka @Rmag Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
MIm20c Posted August 31, 2020 Report Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Little Dipper said: Sadly, the pilots manual for the GFC 500/G5 states it is to be used from the left seat only. Please clarify @Rmag or others. I realize the g5 / gad29 / gfc has a two G5 limit to be fully integrated with the system. However the plane is in the shop getting two G5’s, one as a backup AI and the other for copilot AI. I’m under the impression that both will give navigation data and will allow autopilot control. Quote
Little Dipper Posted September 1, 2020 Author Report Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, MIm20c said: Please clarify @Rmag or others. I realize the g5 / gad29 / gfc has a two G5 limit to be fully integrated with the system. However the plane is in the shop getting two G5’s, one as a backup AI and the other for copilot AI. I’m under the impression that both will give navigation data and will allow autopilot control. I am no expert but believe it is because the gad 29 it is only capable of being limited two? Edited September 1, 2020 by Little Dipper correction Quote
Rmag Posted September 1, 2020 Report Posted September 1, 2020 15 hours ago, MIm20c said: Please clarify @Rmag or others. I realize the g5 / gad29 / gfc has a two G5 limit to be fully integrated with the system. However the plane is in the shop getting two G5’s, one as a backup AI and the other for copilot AI. I’m under the impression that both will give navigation data and will allow autopilot control. I asked our Avionics manager and his opinion was that you can technically do that but not legally. The STC allows two G5’s one in ADI config and one in HSI config as primary instruments in the pilot panel. The HSI has reversionary capability and can control a GFC 500. The G5 in Norm’s co-pilot position is not integrated with anything and is not a primary or backup instrument. 2 Quote
Little Dipper Posted September 1, 2020 Author Report Posted September 1, 2020 Just now, Rmag said: I asked our Avionics manager and his opinion was that you can technically do that but not legally. The STC allows two G5’s one in ADI config and one in HSI config as primary instruments in the pilot panel. The HSI has reversionary capability and can control a GFC 500. The G5 in Norm’s co-pilot position is not integrated with anything and is not a primary or backup instrument. Thanks for clarifying that. Quote
rbridges Posted September 1, 2020 Report Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 11:23 AM, LevelWing said: Great looking panel. That should serve you well into the future. Probably what someone said when the first ADF was installed. 1 3 Quote
LevelWing Posted September 1, 2020 Report Posted September 1, 2020 1 minute ago, rbridges said: Probably what someone said when the first ADF was installed. I'm pretty sure the ADF in mine works but the guy I bought it from labeled it "INOP" so he wouldn't get tested on his instrument check ride. 1 Quote
Little Dipper Posted September 1, 2020 Author Report Posted September 1, 2020 I miss my ADF. I used it to listen to WKYW 1060 am radio for many years. Nothing more fun than listening to traffic reports when flying to the shore. Now I have to settle for Sirius XM. 2 Quote
MIm20c Posted September 1, 2020 Report Posted September 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Rmag said: I asked our Avionics manager and his opinion was that you can technically do that but not legally. The STC allows two G5’s one in ADI config and one in HSI config as primary instruments in the pilot panel. The HSI has reversionary capability and can control a GFC 500. The G5 in Norm’s co-pilot position is not integrated with anything and is not a primary or backup instrument. The second AI will not be a primary or backup in our instillation. I appreciate you checking and the fast response. Quote
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