Mooney factory = worst website ever

[Hank]

Chute deployments are supposed to be repairable, but it probably depends on what caused the event and what the plane hit on the ground. 

[Mooneymite]

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20130329X73643&key=1

 

Edited February 17, 2016 by Mooneymite

[Hank]

Ouch!

[Mooneymite]

48 minutes ago, Hank said:

Ouch!

This wreck had been sitting in the corner of the hangar for a long time when I took the pictures last year....apparently there's a lot of confusion about what to do with it "after the save".  To me, parting out the pieces is the only reasonable solution, but who knows?

[carusoam]

80amu TN IO550 engine if it only ran out of gas....

The photo shows the channels where the straps are stored.

They have procedures to put that all back together.

There are a lot of Corvettes that go through similar challenges.  I picture the log saying something like 'has a one piece belly mod..?'

Mooneys often go to Corvette shops for cowl work.

Does it have additional damage that caused the windshield to pop out?

That engine sure would be nice if it were wrapped in a Mooney fuselage...

Insurance or no?

Best regards,

-a-

[Mooneymite]

4 minutes ago, carusoam said:

80amu TN IO550 engine if it only ran out of gas....

Insurance or no?

Watch the re-enactment video I attached, you'll see that there was a flap asymetry problem that prompted the pilot to pop the chute.  It did not run out of gas.  Pretty interesting.....

Yes, there is an insurance company involved.

[carusoam]

Another 100AMU for the instrument panel and other electronic bits and pieces....

When Siri's brother says pull the red handle 'caps pull'..  Is it only a recommendation?

Where does the data come from for the re-enactment?

The G1000 system has difficulty storing CHTs and EGTs in some applications.

Best regards,

-a-

[CaptainAB]

An SR20 refurbished after a caps deployment from an autopilot induced stall.

 

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/2167995.html

 

[kpaul]

5 minutes ago, CaptainAB said:

An SR20 refurbished after a caps deployment from an autopilot induced stall.

 

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/2167995.html

 

landed in scree in mountaneous terrain, skidded backwards 1/4-mile.....At night that had to be one scary ride!

[CaptainAB]

It seems unclear whether there was actually two separate deployments. But with 4 adults in an sr20 an autopilot induced stall seems like a no brainier 

[Raptor05121]

On 2/16/2016 at 7:44 PM, Hank said:

I'm hardly a new plane buyer, but my take is this:  if adding "in the event of an accident" safety gear changes how you fly, there is something wrong. Did you start driving faster when you bought a car with airbags? They'll save you if you hit a fence, a tree or opposite direction traffic. If putting a chute in the plane gives you "confidence" that you will survive the flight, maybe you should stay on the ground.

 

You must not be married. When I first explained the BRS system on a Cirrus to my girlfriend, she asked why I didn't have it on my plane. Likewise, I know several people who says the Cirrus was due to pressure from the significant other wanting a chute...

[Mooneymite]

Just now, Raptor05121 said:

You must not be married. When I first explained the BRS system on a Cirrus to my girlfriend, she asked why I didn't have it on my plane. Likewise, I know several people who says the Cirrus was due to pressure from the significant other wanting a chute...

And here I thought it was because of significant pressure from the FAA due to unsavory spin characteristics!   

[Hank]

28 minutes ago, Raptor05121 said:

You must not be married. When I first explained the BRS system on a Cirrus to my girlfriend, she asked why I didn't have it on my plane. Likewise, I know several people who says the Cirrus was due to pressure from the significant other wanting a chute...

My wife enjoys going places in the plane with me. Now, after eight years, she's beginning to show interest in the Right Seat classes, but still has no desire for a PPL. When fighting a headwind over the TN/NC line at 68 knot groundspeed, she piped up "good thing we're not in a Cessna." She looks out the window and takes lots of pictures,but sleeps after a few minutes in IMC.

[aviatoreb]

30 minutes ago, Raptor05121 said:

You must not be married. When I first explained the BRS system on a Cirrus to my girlfriend, she asked why I didn't have it on my plane. Likewise, I know several people who says the Cirrus was due to pressure from the significant other wanting a chute...

Interestingly I had the opposite experience.  When I mentioned to my wife that the Cirrus had a parachute, she said, you told me that you could land with the engine out.  I said, well, yeah..... and she said, she doesn't not want to come down with a parachute.  Discussion over!

[201er]

Why doesn't Mooney just include a complimentary strap on parachute for the wife. Problem solved 

[Marauder]

Why doesn't Mooney just include a complimentary strap on parachute for the wife. Problem solved 

It's obvious you're still a newlywed. The parachute is for you!

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[Jerry 5TJ]

In the past two decades Cirrus has tried hard to sell me a new plane.  Their traveling road show is impressive.

During that period Mooney hasn't sent me so much as a post card suggesting I look at a new Mooney.

 

[CaptainAB]

Interesting article in the aviation consumer. Diamond is claiming they will offer an automatic landing plane. 

[aviatoreb]

18 minutes ago, CaptainAB said:

Interesting article in the aviation consumer. Diamond is claiming they will offer an automatic landing plane. 

I figure auto landing must be coming to GA across the board eventually.  A digital autopilot and advanced software is "all that is needed".  I saw a video where the creator of xplane was demonstrating such a system for experimental.  It is well within technology capability.  Essentially good software to run the garmin 700 digital autopilot I would guess would do the trick.

There are two reasons to want a parachute. 1) the airplane has a mechanical issue precluding a safe dead stick landing whether because of location (mountains?) or situation (night?). 2) Pilot incapacitation.  At least for #2, an auto land (find nearest airport - land at nearest airport) will fix that problem and put nervous passengers at ease. 

[Marauder]

18 minutes ago, CaptainAB said: Interesting article in the aviation consumer. Diamond is claiming they will offer an automatic landing plane. 

I figure auto landing must be coming to GA across the board eventually.  A digital autopilot and advanced software is "all that is needed".  I saw a video where the creator of xplane was demonstrating such a system for experimental.  It is well within technology capability.  Essentially good software to run the garmin 700 digital autopilot I would guess would do the trick.

There are two reasons to want a parachute. 1) the airplane has a mechanical issue precluding a safe dead stick landing whether because of location (mountains?) or situation (night?). 2) Pilot incapacitation.  At least for #2, an auto land (find nearest airport - land at nearest airport) will fix that problem and put nervous passengers at ease. 

Autoland would be a cool innovation for GA. The best we could hope for today is to fly an LPV or ILS with an autopilot and cut power when we think we are there.

As for a parachute. I would love to have one on my plane. I never understood the stigma associated with people who wanted one. It was probably the same mentality when seat belts got installed in cars and helmet laws became enacted.

After seeing someone's pumpkin after it bounced off the road a few times, I just as soon wear a helmet. As well, when I moved to KILG, I rented a hangar that was used to store airplane wrecks. I got to see inside the hangar while there were still remnants of fatal crashes. Who knows if a parachute could of made a difference? But there is nothing wrong with stacking the odds in your favor.

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[Hank]

More than "the right software" is needed for autoland. There are already good autopilots that can fly you to any airport, tell you the nearest airport, etc. But autoland will require also require automated control of:  flaps, gear, throttle, mixture and prop. We are a long way from that, although someone is working on the automixture [at least for leaning; not sure about richening up on descent].

[Mcstealth]

6 hours ago, Hyett6420 said:

This made me laugh so hard.  An American from Texas teaching another American about grammar and syntax in the ENGLISH language.  This verbal class distinction by now should be antique, if you spoke as she does Sir instead of the way you do, why you would be selling Fl.wrs too.   (Wink) 

Ahh! Very well spoken, with nary an error.

 

[Shadrach]

On February 17, 2016 at 6:07 PM, CaptainAB said:

An SR20 refurbished after a caps deployment from an autopilot induced stall.

 

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/2167995.html

 

That's not bad for a 14yr old plane that's been factory refurbished.

[Shadrach]

On February 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Mooneymite said:

Watch the re-enactment video I attached, you'll see that there was a flap asymetry problem that prompted the pilot to pop the chute.  It did not run out of gas.  Pretty interesting.....

Yes, there is an insurance company involved.

Is that a stress crack on the right side of the fuselage just aft of the firewall?  Video was intersting, did the pilot try raising the flaps?

[Shadrach]

On February 18, 2016 at 0:46 PM, Hank said:

More than "the right software" is needed for autoland. There are already good autopilots that can fly you to any airport, tell you the nearest airport, etc. But autoland will require also require automated control of:  flaps, gear, throttle, mixture and prop. We are a long way from that, although someone is working on the automixture [at least for leaning; not sure about richening up on descent].

I don't think that the auto land on the heavy iron deploys flaps and gear (not an issue with a diamond single). I'd be curious what this system is markets for. Inadvertent IMC? Pilot incapacitation?