Hank Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Makes me tired just looking at that . . . Quote
carusoam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 Well nels, With that, you are fully informed... What do you think now? A couple of weeks ago I got to stand between the tail feathers and fuselage of an Acclaim that was getting the new hardware AD taken care of. The more you see them apart, the less traumatic the experience becomes. The first one can be quite dizzying... Best regards, -a- Quote
nels Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 11 hours ago, carusoam said: Well nels, With that, you are fully informed... What do you think now? Best regards, -a- Well, I guess I don't have to worry about it as I was outbid on the auction site. But, maybe another time. Still great information gathered and digested. 1 Quote
carusoam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 What was the going price for the project? best regards, -a- 2 Quote
nels Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 4 minutes ago, carusoam said: What was the going price for the project? best regards, -a- You know, that is a great question, I wish I could get those answers so I would know how to bid on those insurance sites. This plane had high engine hours and vanilla grade radios. I really thought I had a good chance at buying it, but, that didn't happen. Probably a good thing. sure wish I could find a good 201 project sitting in a hangar somewhere. Quote
carusoam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 You will be in competition with pro buyers and rebuilders like Alan. At the point where you are winning the bidding war, things have already been getting expensive. To be a winner would require no competition while bidding followed by having a strong mechanical background. The opposite would be outbidding the pros followed by paying full price to have more pros take it apart, ship it, and rebuild it. Pros are expensive. Anything less than pro can be more expensive.... That is called 'risk'. Best regards, -a- Quote
nels Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Posted December 18, 2015 16 minutes ago, carusoam said: You will be in competition with pro buyers and rebuilders like Alan. At the point where you are winning the bidding war, things have already been getting expensive. To be a winner would require no competition while bidding followed by having a strong mechanical background. The opposite would be outbidding the pros followed by paying full price to have more pros take it apart, ship it, and rebuild it. Pros are expensive. Anything less than pro can be more expensive.... That is called 'risk'. Best regards, -a- I agree with everything you said. This plane was close enough that I could have handled a lot myself. Since first posting a started doing research and decided taking the wing off was not a good option and none of the professional bidders would have done that. They would have patched it a flew it home. I would like to have had the plane but getting it to my location was the challenge. As I said, it would be nice to find a 201 in a hangar somewhere and deal in a timely manner with the owner and anyone else necessary to get the plane either ready for transport or ferriable. So, do you know of any good candidates? If so PM me please. Quote
mooniac15u Posted December 18, 2015 Report Posted December 18, 2015 Were you bidding on the 201 over in Newark (KVTA)? Quote
nels Posted December 19, 2015 Author Report Posted December 19, 2015 3 hours ago, mooniac15u said: Were you bidding on the 201 over in Newark (KVTA)? Yes, that was the one. You know much about it. Quote
DaV8or Posted December 19, 2015 Report Posted December 19, 2015 On December 15, 2015 at 4:21 AM, N601RX said: If your sure your going replace the wing vs repair it then a reciprocating saw will make quick work of getting it ready to trailer. Exactly! If it is known that the wing is toast, hack those wings off and trailer away. Then when you are back in your hangar, then you can sort it out and do all the intricate disassembly. Quote
mooniac15u Posted August 14, 2016 Report Posted August 14, 2016 Someone fixed this plane and is selling it on eBay. http://m.ebay.com/itm/232047806378?_trkparms=pageci:8ba50366-6258-11e6-adfb-74dbd180c7e4|parentrq:8a9c44071560a2a316e3b909fff17071|iid:3&_mwBanner=1 1 Quote
dlthig Posted August 15, 2016 Report Posted August 15, 2016 I sent an email to the dealer 3 weeks ago, no reply. Incidentally, I also found a 231 that was advertised as no damage history that had damage history. Do your research fellas. Good ole' Google. Quote
dlthig Posted August 15, 2016 Report Posted August 15, 2016 The Pressleys from Smokey Mountain Planes are selling it. Quote
dlthig Posted August 15, 2016 Report Posted August 15, 2016 I won't hijack anymore after this, but N58166 was ugly before it's restoration. On the bright side, it's obvious from the pictures that it has gone through some major work. Quote
carusoam Posted August 15, 2016 Report Posted August 15, 2016 Are you familiar with the U-boat commander? 80’S movies for 100, Alex... Ebay has a couple of interesting projects like... http://m.ebay.com/itm/1976-Dassault-Falcon-10-project-complete-/222215465506?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150519202348%26meid%3D2b90d6da08db4c6b8779c1b2be56eaca%26pid%3D100408%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D25%26sd%3D232047806378&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460 You would want to know the history on these things before buying into the project. I have found the tale number (N692US) of the dassault, but can't find where it went afoul of the laws of physics... It would really help if you are a mechanic, not just a PP. Best regards, -a- Quote
mooniac15u Posted August 15, 2016 Report Posted August 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, carusoam said: Are you familiar with the U-boat commander? They have a couple of interesting projects like... http://m.ebay.com/itm/1976-Dassault-Falcon-10-project-complete-/222215465506?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150519202348%26meid%3D2b90d6da08db4c6b8779c1b2be56eaca%26pid%3D100408%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D25%26sd%3D232047806378&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460 You would have to know the history on these things before buying into the project. Maybe I'm missing something about that Falcon jet. Is it for sale from the same people? The link I shared was for the plane that started this thread. Quote
carusoam Posted August 15, 2016 Report Posted August 15, 2016 I clicked on the one and ebay connected a list of others. Their only connection is eBay selling project planes. I think Gerry's plane(s) have seen some water in the past. Searching MS will reveal much of that... Using the U-boat commander or Franken plane tags may be helpful. A Google search for the dassault plane shows some nice, relatively recent, flying version of the same plane in pieces in the hangar. Quote
Marauder Posted August 15, 2016 Report Posted August 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, carusoam said: Are you familiar with the U-boat commander? They have a couple of interesting projects like... http://m.ebay.com/itm/1976-Dassault-Falcon-10-project-complete-/222215465506?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150519202348%26meid%3D2b90d6da08db4c6b8779c1b2be56eaca%26pid%3D100408%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D25%26sd%3D232047806378&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460 You would have to know the history on these things before buying into the project. Maybe I'm missing something about that Falcon jet. Is it for sale from the same people? The link I shared was for the plane that started this thread. It's not being sold by the same guys. I think Anthony was pointing out that they have their own submarine story. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote
mooniac15u Posted August 15, 2016 Report Posted August 15, 2016 The folks in Tennessee are also selling the propeller off that Mooney. It has "slight nicks in the very tips of the blades." http://m.ebay.com/itm/Mccauley-prop-removed-from-IO-360-Mooney-m20J-/232049516889?hash=item36073aa159%3Ag%3AkUkAAOSw6n5Xseh2&_trkparms=pageci%3A4ad78133-631c-11e6-a8fa-005056a06bb4%7Cparentrq%3A8f9f1cc81560a6a5ed06ddaffff045e5%7Ciid%3A13 1 Quote
RobertGary1 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Posted August 18, 2016 On 12/14/2015 at 6:57 PM, nels said: Appreciate all the input. I haven't bought the plane yet as it is up for bid on a salvage site. I'm in Cincinnati and the plane is about a 100 miles from me. I guess that is why I'm interested in it. sure hate to take it apart just to move it that distance but I don't think a ferry permit would be granted. Do the economics work out for something like this? -Robert Quote
RobertGary1 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Posted August 18, 2016 On 8/14/2016 at 7:38 PM, carusoam said: Ebay has a couple of interesting projects like... http://m.ebay.com/itm/1976-Dassault-Falcon-10-project-complete-/222215465506?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150519202348%26meid%3D2b90d6da08db4c6b8779c1b2be56eaca%26pid%3D100408%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D25%26sd%3D232047806378&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460 Interesting that the owner says it was disassembled for sale by request of the insurance company. -Robert Quote
nels Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Posted August 18, 2016 On August 15, 2016 at 3:27 PM, mooniac15u said: The folks in Tennessee are also selling the propeller off that Mooney. It has "slight nicks in the very tips of the blades." http://m.ebay.com/itm/Mccauley-prop-removed-from-IO-360-Mooney-m20J-/232049516889?hash=item36073aa159%3Ag%3AkUkAAOSw6n5Xseh2&_trkparms=pageci%3A4ad78133-631c-11e6-a8fa-005056a06bb4%7Cparentrq%3A8f9f1cc81560a6a5ed06ddaffff045e5%7Ciid%3A13 The Mooney was never disassembled to move. Temporary patches were put on the wing leading edge and plane was flown to Tennessee. I was in contact with the fellow that bought it, Brent Pressley, shortly after the auction was over. I flew down to look at it prior to paint etc and talked to Brent about it. He was straight forward on the repairs etc and seemed like a real descent guy to do business with. I came really close to buying the plane but at the eleventh hour I got a call on a 1978 J from an estate that had about 1100 hrs total time on it. I am now the proud owner of the 1978 but I don't think I would have had any regrets if I would have ended up with the 1981. Quote
jetdriven Posted August 19, 2016 Report Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) I feel sorry for the new buyers. You dont "graft new skin on the wing leading edges", you reskin that section. And tear down the engine. Which is why it was totalled. Which is why it was insurance auction and why Pressley bought it. I'm sure it was repaired correctly and is worth 60K. This from the guy who was selling a M20E which was submerged under 15 feet of river water for a week, but "refurbished and completely restred the plane" including the G430 and Aspen. He will kill someone someday, oh wait, he already did, his own son. But at least he got paid some money for it. Edited August 19, 2016 by jetdriven 1 Quote
nels Posted August 19, 2016 Author Report Posted August 19, 2016 13 hours ago, jetdriven said: I feel sorry for the new buyers. You dont "graft new skin on the wing leading edges", you reskin that section. And tear down the engine. Which is why it was totalled. Which is why it was insurance auction and why Pressley bought it. I'm sure it was repaired correctly and is worth 60K. This from the guy who was selling a M20E which was submerged under 15 feet of river water for a week, but "refurbished and completely restred the plane" including the G430 and Aspen. He will kill someone someday, oh wait, he already did, his own son. But at least he got paid some money for it. From what I know, the method the plane was repaired is acceptable by the FAA. I saw the plane in its damaged condition prior to any repair and prior to the sale. I saw no damage to the wing ribs just damage in between the ribs at the leading edge. When first looking at the plane I would have preferred the entire skin section replaced but after talking with other shops, this method is pretty standard procedure. I really don't see what is wrong with the patch method in this instance? It sure keeps the repair cost down and the potential to afford the plane up. The method of repair was disclosed. I don't think he is trying to get away with anything. Quote
carusoam Posted August 20, 2016 Report Posted August 20, 2016 Check to see if that repair method is viable on a laminar wing. You can find acceptable methods of repair in Mooney Maintenance manuals... Try to avoid buying damaged things without a clear path to getting it fixed. Nels, I like your last sentence. But, Reagan said it better. 'Trust, but verify.' It's your money... Best regards, -a- Quote
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