yvesg Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 Hi all. If you look at my flight track from yesterday: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFQKM/history/20131231/2033Z/E68/KLGB you will see that it shows the aircraft as a Turbo Mooney. I own a C! Obviously ATC misunderstood my aircraft model. When reporting, what should I tell them? M20P? Why do they use this suffix? Thanks. Yves Quote
Bob_Belville Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 Piston (not T urboprop, J et) Quote
FlyDave Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 Yves, Here are the the Mooney aircraft types for reporting from flightplan.com: MOONEYERCO Alon AircoupeM10 MARK 10 CADETM20P M20/A/B/C/D/E/F/G/J/L/R/SM20P Mark 21/Ranger/MasterM20P Chaparral/ExecutiveM20P STATESMAN/ OVATIONM20P 201/205/ATS/MSE/PFMM20T TURBO MOONEY M20K/M20MM20T ENCORE/ 231/ 252/ TLS/ TSEM22 MARK 22/ MUSTANGMITE Mooney Mite M-18 M20's non turbo are M20P and turbos are M20T. I'm not sure if you'd use M20T if you have an aftermarket turbo but it doesn't sound like that applies to you. Fly safe, Dave Quote
Marauder Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 Looks like your previous flights show the correct designation. Quote
Bob_Belville Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 Yves, Here are the the Mooney aircraft types for reporting from flightplan.com: MOONEY ERCO Alon Aircoupe M10 MARK 10 CADET M20P M20/A/B/C/D/E/F/G/J/L/R/S M20P Mark 21/Ranger/Master M20P Chaparral/Executive M20P STATESMAN/ OVATION M20P 201/205/ATS/MSE/PFM M20T TURBO MOONEY M20K/M20M M20T ENCORE/ 231/ 252/ TLS/ TSE M22 MARK 22/ MUSTANG MITE Mooney Mite M-18 M20's non turbo are M20P and turbos are M20T. I'm not sure if you'd use M20T if you have an aftermarket turbo but it doesn't sound like that applies to you. Fly safe, Dave Interesting. Turbo charged is stil piston, not Turbo Prop. www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-1-1.htm Quote
yvesg Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Posted January 1, 2014 Looks like your previous flights show the correct designation. The previous flights were IFR and on the phone and I guess the briefers were able to properly designate the model type. Thanks folks! Happy New Year all! Yves Quote
jlunseth Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 If you have a profile stored with FSS, and the type code is correct in your profile, then the flight plan filed with FSS over the phone will always have the correct code. Quote
David Mazer Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 I am regularly asked if my M20K Rocket (M20T on the flight plan) is a turbo or turbine by controllers. I was even asked that by ground and then tower on the same flight out of my home airport. Quote
Rwsavory Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 ATC had me down as an MU2 once. I enjoyed hearing "Mitsubishi 5687Q." Quote
carusoam Posted January 1, 2014 Report Posted January 1, 2014 Its a technicality... I believe they want to know how fast and high you are capable of going to maintain separation between you and your brothers at altitude... Ts can produce significantly more power at altitude compared to a similar plane that is a P. Ts are capable of climbing and going fast. ATC wants to know this reliably well and easily. Best regards, -a- Quote
drapo Posted January 2, 2014 Report Posted January 2, 2014 Hi all. If you look at my flight track from yesterday: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFQKM/history/20131231/2033Z/E68/KLGB you will see that it shows the aircraft as a Turbo Mooney. I own a C! Obviously ATC misunderstood my aircraft model. When reporting, what should I tell them? M20P? Why do they use this suffix? Thanks. Yves Yves, glad to know that you made it in time for the New Year célébrations ! As an ATC, remembering all those different codes for all those different kind of airplanes with different performances is quite a challenge. Basic thing to remember is that a 30 kts difference in cruise speed doesn't make that much of a difference for us, especially for me on Approach control. If they mistake you for a MU2, then I would correct them, but if it´s a T instead of a P, not much of an impact! Enjoy beautiful sunny Southern California, here it's a beautiful sunny day and -30 ( that's MINUS 30!), -40 with the windchill factor, so I guess I'll skip a day of flying... ;-) Quote
yvesg Posted January 2, 2014 Author Report Posted January 2, 2014 OK Pierre. Thanks for the details. We are staying until either Sunday or Monday. It will be quite painful to go back where the shovel is required! -30C : I cannot imagine going back to this, Yesterday we took our grand-daughter to the park dressed in T-shirts. It was around 23 C J'essais de convaincre ma femme de venir vivre ici mais c'est pas facile. Bonne année! Yves Quote
Ned Gravel Posted January 2, 2014 Report Posted January 2, 2014 And this is why I am not flying my aircraft to the DC area this weekend with a continuation to Tampa for our cruise the following week. Quote
drapo Posted January 2, 2014 Report Posted January 2, 2014 Yves, Bonne Année, Santé, Bonheur et Prospérité ! And I'll extend those wishes for everyone on Mooneyspace: Happy New Year, Health, Happiness and Prosperity! Quote
Buckster Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 I have an Ovation which is an M20R. I did notice that on flight aware the designation is M20P. I often wondered why but now I know. Thanks! 2 Quote
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