Wire routing and securing wire inside the wing

[N201MKTurbo]

I have mixed feelings about lacing cord vs Ty-Raps. 

I used to work for the phone company and laced miles of wire. It makes for a very neat wire bundle.

It is certainly easier to pull a bundle back that is laced vs Ty-Rapped. 

I have never cut my hand on lacing cord.

It takes longer to lace wires than putting on a Ty-Rap.

It is difficult to lace wires in tight places.

I do both.

Ty-Wraps were developed for Boeing to secure aircraft wire bundles.

https://global.abb/group/en/technology/did-you-know/ty-rap--cable-ties#:~:text=The Ty-Rap™ cable,cable ties have been produced.

The idea of the cable tie came to Logan while touring a Boeing aircraft manufacturing facility in 1956. Aircraft wiring was a cumbersome and detailed undertaking, involving thousands of feet of wire organized on sheets of 50-foot-long plywood and held in place with knotted, wax-coated, braided nylon cord. Each knot had to be pulled tight by wrapping the cord around one's finger which sometimes cut the operator's fingers until they developed thick calluses. Logan was convinced there had to be an easier, more forgiving, way to accomplish this critical task.

For the next couple of years, Logan experimented with various tools and materials. On June 24, 1958, a patent for the Ty-Rap cable tie was submitted.^[10]

[Aerodon]

I  have a couple of spare clips for you, I could not find a Mfg. name or part number.  I also have these click bonds, epoxy to the face of the rib and position the cable clamp away from the edge of the big hole in the rib.

 

Aerodon

[Pinecone]

Google Lens to the rescue.

The first picture:

The items pictured are a Click 200mm Mounting Cable Tie and a CB4020 Right-Angle Swivel Cable-Tie Mount. These are used for cable management and securing wires. 

 

• Material: Made from commercial-grade, UV-resistant nylon 66. 
   
• Features: The cable tie has a marker tab for labeling. The mount allows for securing cables at right angles. 
   
• Sizes: Cable ties come in various lengths, with 200mm being a common size. 
   
• Applications: Suitable for organizing cables in offices, homes, workshops, and for outdoor use. 

[Pinecone]

The second one had no direct matches, but several similar looking clips for car and RV (campers not planes ) interiors.

[Yetti]

You could just use a one of the screw clips like are on the panel bottom. run the tywrap through it before you put on the lightening hole.

[N201MKTurbo]

I spent way too much time looking for the clips Mooney uses. It looks like a Tinnerman product. I found the complete catalog and looked through the whole thing and couldn’t find it. The search words are speed clip and speed nut. It is a combination of the two. There are other manufacturers of speed nuts and speed clips. I will try to find their catalogs. There may be a mil spec that covers these and I may be able to find them there. 
 

I guess someone could contact Mooney and ask for the part number.

[Yetti]

35 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I spent way too much time looking for the clips Mooney uses. It looks like a Tinnerman product. I found the complete catalog and looked through the whole thing and couldn’t find it. The search words are speed clip and speed nut. It is a combination of the two. There are other manufacturers of speed nuts and speed clips. I will try to find their catalogs. There may be a mil spec that covers these and I may be able to find them there. 
 

I guess someone could contact Mooney and ask for the part number.

Are you sure it is not a speed clip or speed nut that has been bent at a 90 degree angle?

[N201MKTurbo]

1 minute ago, Yetti said:

Are you sure it is not a speed clip or speed nut that has been bent at a 90 degree angle?

They sure look purpose made for this application.

[Mooney-Shiner]

12 hours ago, Aerodon said:

I  have a couple of spare clips for you, I could not find a Mfg. name or part number.  I also have these click bonds, epoxy to the face of the rib and position the cable clamp away from the edge of the big hole in the rib.

 

Aerodon

 

 

I think I have one of these install in my wing. I would love to know the source for this hardware.

[KSMooniac]

That is exactly the clip we're discussing... they are very handy and I would love to buy more!  Definitely designed for exactly that application versus something someone fashioned themselves.  I doubt Mooney would have made them either.  Like Rich, I went down many rabbit holes trying to find them via catalog browsing and keyword searching, but was unsuccessful.

[Mooney-Shiner]

3 hours ago, KSMooniac said:

That is exactly the clip we're discussing... they are very handy and I would love to buy more!  Definitely designed for exactly that application versus something someone fashioned themselves.  I doubt Mooney would have made them either.  Like Rich, I went down many rabbit holes trying to find them via catalog browsing and keyword searching, but was unsuccessful.

My Savvy A&P advisor told me that he is using  Tyton adhesive mounts. I guess I would need to clean off the thick layer of my CorrosionX / ACF.

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/hellermann_adhesive.php?clickkey=280642

Edited May 13 by Mooney-Shiner

[Yetti]

22 minutes ago, Mooney-Shiner said:

My Savvy A&P advisor told me that he is using  Tyton adhesive mounts. I guess I would need to clean off the think layer of my CorrosionX / ACF.

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/hellermann_adhesive.php?clickkey=280642

Never really seen those stay stuck for long inside.    doubt outside would change history.

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, Mooney-Shiner said:

My Savvy A&P advisor told me that he is using  Tyton adhesive mounts. I guess I would need to clean off the think layer of my CorrosionX / ACF.

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/hellermann_adhesive.php?clickkey=280642

I would never use the adhesive mounts in an airplane. They will always fall off, at least around here. I used to service a Rockwell Commander and all the landing gear wiring was held on with adhesive wire anchors. They kept falling off. When they fell off, all the wires would get ripped off the switches. Then you don’t get a green light. I have been working with automation equipment for decades. Wherever they are used, they eventually fall off.

[PT20J]

I also haven’t found the double sticky tape on the adhesive anchors to hold well. (I’ve used them in other applications, but never on the airplane). I think they might work if glued down with Pliobond or some other contact cement.

[N201MKTurbo]

4 minutes ago, PT20J said:

I also haven’t found the double sticky tape on the adhesive anchors to hold well. (I’ve used them in other applications, but never on the airplane). I think they might work if glued down with Pliobond or some other contact cement.

If you glue the double sided tape down with some better adhesive, it will eventually fail at the other side of the tape.

The only way I’ve ever found to make them reliable is to scrape off the double sided tape, clean the surface and glue them down with RTV. You have to tape them in place overnight before you use them. It isn’t very convenient.

[Pinecone]

9 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

The only way I’ve ever found to make them reliable is to scrape off the double sided tape, clean the surface and glue them down with RTV. You have to tape them in place overnight before you use them. It isn’t very convenient.

If you REALLY want to stick them on for a long time, use 3M 5200.  You can get it from HD, Amazon or any boating supply store.

Like RTV, you have to secure them in place for 24 or so hours, but once on, the only way off is to pull a thin wire through the joint to cut the adhesive.

[Mooney-Shiner]

On 5/12/2025 at 11:46 PM, Aerodon said:

I  have a couple of spare clips for you, I could not find a Mfg. name or part number.  I also have these click bonds, epoxy to the face of the rib and position the cable clamp away from the edge of the big hole in the rib.

 

Aerodon

I emailed to Tinnerman with this photo. Hopefully, they can ID.

Wishing you a meaningful and restful Memorial Day.

 

Edited May 26 by Mooney-Shiner