Panel mount 796

[jetdriven]

I was thinking a 40 knot run off the runway into a ditch with a 10G sudden stop.  That thing could cause some injuries. 

[bnicolette]

It's all good Mitch.  We need some humor on here once in a while and were all good sports I'm sure.

[Bennett]

Link to AirGizmos's 796 panel mount:

http://www.airgizmos.com/795796-Panel-Dock_p_49.html

[bnicolette]

Do you guys have any idea if my intercom controls might fit in the space above my vent controls?  I tried to look behind there but didn't have the time today to pull off the side panel to see what was there.

I do have the ability to move my audio panel up about an inch where it would sit up against my annunciator panel.  Well it appears it is anyhow.  My glareshield is off and I don't see anything that would obstruct it.  That should give me plenty of room to add the Avidyne next year when removing the KNS80 and KY197.

I can also drop the transponder quite a bit before it interferes with the control column which I think would allow the 696/796 if I can relocate the two switches at the top and the intercom control panel.  Or I could possibly raise the transponder to the top and then put the 696/796 below it?

I'm sure once the avionics guy has a look at it he will fill me in on the bad news that none of these ideas are going to work! 

[jetdriven]

Brett:If that is a PM1000 interc om its 5.5" deep, I dont know if it wil fit in that space above the cabin air controls.  The nose gear well is right behind there. 

Also, I dont know how much further up you can move the audio panel or the KY197.  That tube gets real tight there.  The 1977 and earlier have two tubes there and is even worse regarding clearance.

[bnicolette]

Byron, the intercom is actually a Telex PC-4 but I'm not sure how deep it is.  It might even be longer than 5.5 inches.  I'll have to pull that side panel off the center to see how much room is there.  That intercom is pretty antiquated though so I might just be better off combining the audio and intercom with a new unit.  

The 3rd picture above shows where my annunciator panel is bascially laying on top of the audio panel.  The down tube is beside the audio panel so it "appears" as though moving the audio panel up to lay right beneath the annunciator panel should be possible?  However, there is only about an inch there between the two.  The KY197 will be coming out along with the KNS80 to make way for the Avidyne next year.  Those two radios (KNS80 and KY197) make up a little over 4 inches inches in height so if I can squeak out another inch by moving the audio panel up I should be okay????  I've been wrong tooooooo many times with this kind of stuff though to count on anything. 

Thank you for the input and cautions.

[Vref]

Brett, I have the same set up Telex PC4 look at how I did it....

Anyway in summer I plan on throwing out teh intercom and go fo a basic PMA6000B replacing my KMA20...

The MRX is going out in the long run gives to may false warnings giving me the kreeps....I am really going to save for a TAS600 Avydyne system in Eruope too much VFR traffic all around...

The set-up for my AV80R is going to change also it's too high up.. I agree with jet driven comment that all these yoke mount scare me as they have potential of blocking the control and in a case of a crash...though I think it is possible with these newer units to fabricate something that won't be potentially dangerous .....I fabricated a support myself..at least less dangerous what was provided as yoke mount....

Your KMA24 can be replaced by a PMA7000 or KMA28 so you can remove the intercom ..there are some used units on the market...

rgds

Luc

[jetdriven]

Curious, Luc. Why the yellow band on your tachometer from 2400-2700 RPM?

[Piloto]

Luc

I also made custom made yoke bracket for the 560 because the Garmin bracket was too big and articulated. I had similar problems with the MRX and switched to the Monroy Traffic-Watch. All false alarms gone. Unlike the MRX the Monroy unit shows traffic direction with a belly mounted antenna. It works very well. For $1K is a better deal than the Avidyne $12K.

José

 

[Piloto]

[sixsixX]

Here is a photo, The 696 fits great there. You will be very pleased in that location.

[Vref]

Quote: Piloto

Luc

I also made custom made yoke bracket for the 560 because the Garmin bracket was too big and articulated. I had similar problems with the MRX and switched to the Monroy Traffic-Watch. All false alarms gone. Unlike the MRX the Monroy unit shows traffic direction with a belly mounted antenna. It works very well. For $1K is a better deal than the Avidyne $12K.

José

 

[Vref]

Quote: jetdriven

Curious, Luc. Why the yellow band on your tachometer from 2400-2700 RPM?

[Magnum]

Quote: Vref

Thanks Jose, the Avydyne had a serious price slash tough 7500$ now.

I contacted Monroy a couple of days ago and the arinc output 429/735A should come out in april according him, they are testing for the GNS430 .....The Monroy gives 45 degrees precision

Everything will depend on my budget available but I concider more and more anti collsion warning system a must safety wise in the EU lower airspace...

The TAS600 gives 7 miles and is the same system as TCAS I..so there is more data percision and  integrity..but still your talking 10K$ installed. However the TAS600 should be capable of showing ADS-B traffic also beyond the 7 Miles range , upgradable to ADS-B IN.....decisions, decisions....

Luc

 

 

[Vref]

Hi Magnus, long time no here... Yes powerflarm is also something that is very good as most gliders have this equipment now .....

Gliders are a real potential danger when the CU base is very hi like in summer and in the mountains..they go up easily till 9 10000 Ft

There is even a German company who build an flarm/ADS-B anti collision system....Filser I believe..?

http://www.funkwerk-avionics.com/cms/front_content.php?idcat=108&idartlang=677&changelang=3#idart677

I am not so convinced about the Zaon XRX it never can work fully as the antenna is internal with all the metal around. I am also wondering how Monroy can give bearing information without a phase aray antenna or some kind of propagation calculations like in the TAS600 system....? Anyway ...the question I ask myself how much I want to spend for additional collision avoidance equipment...I guess when things goes really wrong there is no value to put on this.....a dilemma.. but if no restrictions I would go for a flarm unit and a TAS 600 from Avydine.....my pocket will be 10K euro emptier then...

The problem is also that with ADS-B you are covered for the jet's which anyway are separated the main threat I see when not IFR is the huge amount of ultra-lights, gliders and all the rest of the GA traffic.....In Germany in general you recieve descent traffic information from the controllers in Belgium in general Brussels info just tells " have a clear watch out there is a lot of VFR traffic and the military are not active..." great...thanks for the service.....

This webinar from Avydine is quite interesting though...

http://www.avidyne.com/downloads/media/corporate-webinars/Corporate_Traffic.pdf

 

[bnicolette]

Quote: sixsixX

Here is a photo, The 696 fits great there. You will be very pleased in that location.

[KSMooniac]

Quote: Bnicolette

Byron, the intercom is actually a Telex PC-4 but I'm not sure how deep it is.  It might even be longer than 5.5 inches.  I'll have to pull that side panel off the center to see how much room is there.  That intercom is pretty antiquated though so I might just be better off combining the audio and intercom with a new unit.  

 

[sixsixX]

The transponder would need to be moved to your center stack.  Elminating something oudated in the center stack as suggested by scott would be a good choice.   You have room for the 696/796 , and below on either side of the yoke , as shown in my photo. Once your transponder is in the center stack, you will wish you did that earlier !   Good luck in whatever you choose for your upgrade.

[Piloto]

Quote: sixsixX

Here is a photo, The 696 fits great there. You will be very pleased in that location.

[Piloto]

Quote: sixsixX

Here is a photo, The 696 fits great there. You will be very pleased in that location.

[sixsixX]

The 696 is there as just a backup peice of equiptment, however it is auto filled by my 530. Ands its view is actually quite well and within easy reach for me. Overlayed low ifr routes is nice to view.  Having it provides just another part of the scan to see if altitude, heading all all in check along with our primary instuments. As far as viewing approaches when in actual, I never use it. Only the 530 and a chart or ipad.  I hope most pilots feel this way about adding this to the panel. It is a nice peice of backup and a refrence tool only. Learn to use it and it will be a great refrence tool and backup if a 530 failure occurs in vfr only .  This location in a 201 panel for a 696/796 is actually very nice and not bad to reach and view. Be carefull if adding the angle adaptor, it really is not needed, and will block the view of the tach, or any instruments located to the right of the install.

[bnicolette]

Thanks everybody for all the input.  I think I am definitely going to go for an updated audio panel and get rid of the the antiquated Telecom PC4 as in the grand scheme of things this is not an expenseive piece of equipment.  I am undecided on whether to install the 696/796 or just pop for an iPad.  I already use my iphone with foreflight and pay for that subscription.  I am also very happy with the 396 so I'm not sure what else the 796 would be able to offer me for the type of flying that I do.  I do like the looks of that big screen on the right side of the panel though.  Decisions decisions.  I am also going to wait until the Avidyne unit comes out before I do anything as that is the piece of equipment that I really want.

Does anybody happen to know if I can continue to run my NSD360A HSI with the IFD540 and also integrate GPSS with that setup?  Or do I have to change that indicator as well?  I know that I could use my existing HSI with a GNS430W as I have went down that road before with my avionics guy but decided to wait for the Avidyne unit.

Again, thanks to everybody that had some input.

[jetdriven]

I would guess the NSD360 uses standard ARINC 500MV inputs like any VOR indicator and the IFD would play fair with it.  GPSS I do not believe is included with the IFD, you can get an aspen or a standalone GPSS

 

 

YMMV

[bnicolette]

Thanks Byron.  I certainly will not be able to pop for an Aspen but I did see that Century has a GPSS unit.  I just don't know if it will work with the Century 31 autopilot.

 

[jetdriven]

I saw that unit and it looks really cool for the money.  Unfortunately, the outputs from the KLN-89B I have are not precise enough to drive a GPSS.   So I do the LOC mode enroute and drive it onto turns greater than 45 degrees with the heading bug in HDG mode.

 

EDIT: I think that GPSS would work with any autopilot. I was hot to get one for my Century IIB, and it is an analog autopilot.

EDIT2:   I was thinking of the GDC31 GPSS.