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aviatoreb Grand Master

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Well that's exciting.  I like the description of his down wind to the runway is at 425mph. That's a bit more hot to my typical down wind, especially to a short field.

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Ok, that’s embarrassing.  Navy, right?  I will say at home station, we generally just used 300-350kts up initial, you could be down to 200kts after the break easy.

However, when deployed, there are all kinds of fun approaches, and I don’t remember crashing.  Once I did burst my wso’s eardrums (actually just bulging blood through them) but I came up over the field with my wingman at ~35,000’, rolled inverted and pointed straight down in idle.  The F-15E has enough drag to stay subsonic in idle.  At around 5000’ we started pitching up and ended up on downwind about 300kts.  You can lose a lot of airspeed in a 6G pull in idle!  Apparently he was a little stuffed up and the pressure change wasn’t good for him.

We also had a 500’, 500kts on initial option, but that was frowned upon after the navy jets kept doing it at 200’ and 600 kts.  Oh yeah, in Afghanistan I definitely did a split S to downwind a few times.  

Anyway, these approaches are fun, but they are also for a purpose in bad guy country.  At night we just did the ILS lights out.  
 

And nobody should crash!

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Skates97 Grand Master

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Happened back in January 2022, there's a 22 page thread over on BT. 

Initial article the day after.
https://news.usni.org/2022/01/24/f-35-lightning-ii-has-landing-mishap-on-uss-carl-vinson-in-south-china-sea

Navy released it's findings a little over a week ago.

https://news.usni.org/2023/02/21/pilot-error-after-sierra-hotel-break-resulted-in-south-china-sea-f-35c-crash-investigation-says?fbclid=IwAR1filI8FdZolJn38mH5z93sihiPZz0eFCmZ4775QFXcWpcsriUW4w4JvP4

1980Mooney Grand Master

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4 hours ago, ilovecornfields said:

Another landing mishap. I’ll probably have to pay more next year for my premiums now.

https://apple.news/Ag7STz-0kRXybJazFKeIrEA

Uh no....no effect upon insurance premiums, but your taxes will go up. What do you think the total tab is? WAG...$112 mil fighter, let's say another $10 mil in damages to the parked fighter, damages to carrier - let's say $5 mil including time in dock, cost of carrier being out of service for repairs (crew time wasted, pilots not current, etc) let's say another $5  mil,, salvage operation cost - let's say $8 mil, injured sailors medical, long term disability, etc - let's say another $5 mil.

LANCECASPER Grand Master

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1 hour ago, 1980Mooney said:

Uh no....no effect upon insurance premiums, but your taxes will go up. 

They won't change the personal income tax thresholds for that. (https://www.bankrate.com/taxes/tax-brackets/)

The national debt will go up, but no one's going to ever pay that anyway.:)

Unless you decide to send a contribution personally (https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/public/gifts-to-government.html#:~:text=Citizens can make financial donations,PayPal%2C debit or credit card.)

aviatoreb Grand Master

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How much you figure it will cost to fix that.  Medical bills included.  I bet the airplane is expensive.  The aircraft carrier is expensive to repair.  The other jet is expensive.  The fire vehicle - less expensive.

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14 hours ago, 1980Mooney said:

Uh no....no effect upon insurance premiums, but your taxes will go up. What do you think the total tab is? WAG...$112 mil fighter, let's say another $10 mil in damages to the parked fighter, damages to carrier - let's say $5 mil including time in dock, cost of carrier being out of service for repairs (crew time wasted, pilots not current, etc) let's say another $5  mil,, salvage operation cost - let's say $8 mil, injured sailors medical, long term disability, etc - let's say another $5 mil.

It won’t be too bad considering it will be spread over the 99% who pay taxes.

Hank Grand Master

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1 hour ago, M20Doc said:

It won’t be do bad considering it will be spread over the 99% who pay taxes.

Maybe 99% of Canadians pay income taxes. Here it's pretty close to half . . . .

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1 hour ago, Hank said:

Maybe 99% of Canadians pay income taxes. Here it's pretty close to half . . . .

I think he typo’d it and meant 49%.:D

PT20J Grand Master

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Is it just me, or does $112-million for a fighter seem a little out of control? According to the GAO, DOD has about 450 F-35s and plans to buy about 2000 more. The price will probably triple before the last one is delivered in 2044. I tried to calculate the total cost but my calculator won’t go that high. And, that’s just one airplane.

There are only 5 prime defense contractors left after mergers and acquisitions. And, with plenty of help from Congress, they have all carved out non-competing niches. Boeing’s going to get a $150-billion sole source contract to replace Minuteman missiles. Want a ballistic missile submarine? Only General Dynamics builds them for around $10-billion a pop. Aircraft Carrier? Huntington Ingalls is the only supplier at around $13-billion each. Military hardware has gotten really expensive. Having no competition helps.

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aviatoreb Grand Master

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12 hours ago, PT20J said:

Is it just me, or does $112-million for a fighter seem a little out of control? According to the GAO, DOD has about 450 F-35s and plans to buy about 2000 more. The price will probably triple before the last one is delivered in 2044. I tried to calculate the total cost but my calculator won’t go that high. And, that’s just one airplane.

There are only 5 prime defense contractors left after mergers and acquisitions. And, with plenty of help from Congress, they have all carved out non-competing niches. Boeing’s going to get a $150-billion sole source contract to replace Minuteman missiles. Want a ballistic missile submarine? Only General Dynamics builds them for around $10-billion a pop. Aircraft Carrier? Huntington Ingalls is the only supplier at around $13-billion each. Military hardware has gotten really expensive. Having no competition helps.

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It is a lot for an airplane that for that price you would think it would at least come with cupholders and heated seats.

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MikeOH Grand Master

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2 hours ago, aviatoreb said:

Why isn't that used for ALL landings then?

Gee, maybe we should just require all GFC500 Cirrus owners to push the RED button on final, too! :o

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4 hours ago, aviatoreb said:

It is a lot for an airplane that for that price you would think it would at least come with cupholders and heated seats.

That and a complete airframe parachute system

aviatoreb Grand Master

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16 hours ago, M20Doc said:

That and a complete airframe parachute system

I know right?!!! All they offer is an ejection seat.  As if.  My wife would NOT trust me with an ejection seat button over her.

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GeeBee Grand Master

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Got to say, another case of an auto-thrust system screwing up a landing. Either the pilot is not aware of the mode or it fails to perform as expected and leaves you in the flare holding the bag in a low energy state.  For some reason Airbus pilots are really wedded to auto-thrust to touch down. I cannot tell you how much my landings in the Airbus improved when I started landing in manual thrust. The MD-11 had a big problem with this and I can think of 3 crashes, two of them fatal due to A/T dependence. They made a big deal after the Newark crash of training for "bounce recovery" but they never trained to turn off the auto-thrust in gusty conditions! The only time I used A/T was during low vis auto- landing (because you have to have them engaged) and usually it is not gusty during low vis and auto-thrust works reasonably well. Otherwise turn it off and then you know it is off unless you have IMC in front of your face.

 

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