Decommissioned VORs

[whiskytango]

A member of another group that I follow (Apollo/UPSAT/Garmin GNS480 CNX80 Owners Group) mentioned that he has been given amended clearances to decommissioned VORs that are no longer in the GPS Navigator database.  He cites Glen Rose (JEN) and McAlester (MLC) as waypoints he has been given in amended clearances.   This means "unable" and ATC has to come up with another re-route.   I had not heard of this before.  Has anyone experienced this issue?

[M20F]

This is the main reason why I installed a Loran last year.  VOR’s are going away, time to upgrade. 

[hammdo]

My gnc 355 still shows the VOR waypoint. I have a new db to install so I’ll ck those out. ForeFlight still shows it too and I send plans to the gnc. 

-Don

[kortopates]

31 minutes ago, M20F said:

This is the main reason why I installed a Loran last year.  VOR’s are going away, time to upgrade. 

didn't know we had eLoran receivers yet

We'll still have the MON network of VORs https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/techops/navservices/gbng/vormon

[0TreeLemur]

The Crimson VOR (LDK) near my home drome has been switched off for years.   It is physically still there, and by golly if you file an IFR flight plan without it in there, the FAA will almost always amend it to include it.  It does appear waypoint in the GNS 430 database.

[amillet]

Foreflight VFR sectional has both those waypoints.  There are no VOR compass roses around them though 

[201er]

https://bruceair.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/when-a-vor-is-decommissioned/

[hammdo]

This ^^^^

[whiskytango]

Out of curiosity I looked at the JEN VOR that the person on the GNX480/CNX80 Forum described.  In the case of that VOR, the FAA deleted portions of airways that used the JEN VOR as a fix.  If you look at the IFR Low chart, the VOR is still there (with no airways running through it), and it was never given a five letter identifier.  Guess that was too confusing to Garmin/Jeppesen to figure out what to do, so the VOR was deleted from the database for those GPS navigators (which have not been supported by Garmin for many years).

Federal Register : Amendment of VOR Federal Airways V-17, V-18, V-62, V-94, V-163, and V-568 in the.pdf

[hubcap]

I was given JEN (Glenrose VOR) in an amended clearance around the DFW Bravo earlier this year. It still shows as a waypoint on the IFR charts, and it is still in the Garmin database…at least it was at that time.

[whiskytango]

On 7/10/2022 at 6:41 AM, hubcap said:

I was given JEN (Glenrose VOR) in an amended clearance around the DFW Bravo earlier this year. It still shows as a waypoint on the IFR charts, and it is still in the Garmin database…at least it was at that time.

Based on the above responses, it seems that decommissioned VORs are being dropped from the database used by the GNS480 / CNX80 navigators, but not other Garmin GPSs.  Although obsolete, my CNX80 is still a great box, so I will live with this limitation, and be prepared to tell ATC that I can't get there from here.

[PeteMc]

On 7/9/2022 at 12:41 PM, whiskytango said:

VORs that are no longer in the GPS Navigator database

Just curious...   Can you're friend eliminate TACANs from his lookup search?  JEN & MLC are no longer shown on the chart as a VOR but as a TACAN.  So if for some strange reason TACANs can be unchecked in the 480, maybe that's why your friend cannot bring them up.  They are obviously still in the DB as a Waypoint and shown on the both the Low & High Enroute charts as TACANs.  JEN is actually still shown as a DME on the Sectional, there's just no info on it.

 

[whiskytango]

2 hours ago, PeteMc said:

Just curious...   Can you're friend eliminate TACANs from his lookup search?  JEN & MLC are no longer shown on the chart as a VOR but as a TACAN.  So if for some strange reason TACANs can be unchecked in the 480, maybe that's why your friend cannot bring them up.  They are obviously still in the DB as a Waypoint and shown on the both the Low & High Enroute charts as TACANs.  JEN is actually still shown as a DME on the Sectional, there's just no info on it.

 

Great question.  I will look in the GNS480 documentation to see if that is possible.