scottfromiowa Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 http://www.skygeek.com/flamemaster-cs-3330-cl-low-adhesion-sealant.html Looking for help regarding which item as shown (quantity) and container. I would like to apply with a "gun" to apply. What gun do I get? Thanks much for help!!!!!!!!!! Quote
74657 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 My buddy who has the paint shop uses a 3M Urethane product that is used for car windshields to seal them and ProSeal to make the line look pretty. Use masking tape on your window and window frame to mark your line and apply the sealant using your finger as you would caulk a shower/bathtub. Use your finger to "fillet" the line. pull the tape and let it dry in place..... Quote
sleepingsquirrel Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 I used a grey butyl tape product for plexiglass on boats. The half inch tape was easy to apply and formed a complete seal with little effort for clean up. The gun product was a Dow product (Dow 795). I can get more information tomorrow. The grey butyl tape came form Catalina Direct, a friend gave it to me after he finished his port lights. This product is also available in most Lowes or Home Depot for a lot less money. I used the tape because it was infinitely cleaner and easier than the gun product. A blind monkey could replace plexiglass with this product! Quote
Immelman Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 My A&P/IA who has done quite a few Mooney windscreens used the same flame-master sealant used to re-seal mooney fuel tanks (sadly, I don't remember if it was the harder-core stuff for the tank interiors, or the somewhat more friendly to remove stuff used for tank access panels). There was some sort of caulking gun designed to fit those canisters he used. It looked like anything to squeeze out a 1/8" bead would work just fine. Edit: the p/n on the stronger sealant is CS3204-B2 (B2 = 2 hr cure time), the lighter stuff is CS3330-B2. Quote
sleepingsquirrel Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 Quote: scottfromiowa http://www.skygeek.com/flamemaster-cs-3330-cl-low-adhesion-sealant.html Looking for help regarding which item as shown (quantity) and container. I would like to apply with a "gun" to apply. What gun do I get? Thanks much for help!!!!!!!!!! Quote
jetdriven Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 I have used Dow 795 on a sailboat, attaching the plexiglass window directly to the fiberglass. After 3 years its still like new, and the dark colored glass absorbs a lot of heat. 795 is a structural skyscraper window glue. It has soemthing like 170% flexibility in joints. In short, its indestructible. About 8$ a tube. Quote
N601RX Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Order it in the semikit and it can be dispensed with a modified caulking gun from lowes. You will need to grind about 1/8 -1/4 off the diameter of the plunger on the gun so it will fit inside the semikit tube. It is slightly smaller than a normal tube of caulking. I used 3 tubes on my F, but have everything ready and work fast or it will start to thicken up in the tube after the 2 parts are mixed. Put enough bolts in the window to hold it in place and the tape up the window and skin. Be careful not to let the tape go under the edge of the skin. Punch holes in the skin tape to put the screws through. This stuff is very sticky, It is best to let it dry a day or so and then remove the tape and clean it up. Here is link to old thread with pictures. Work table is optional, but gave us something to walk and sit on other than wing. http://www.mooneyspace.com/index.cfm?mainaction=posts&forumid=2&threadid=2085http://www.mattituck.com/'> Quote
scottfromiowa Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 O.K. I have read the information. Thanks. My understanding is: The link I have is NOT right stuff. Use a boat or building sealant. The Dow product is readily available. Mike do you have a link for the sealant? What is a Semikit? Sounds like three tubes is enought to do the job. Quote
scottfromiowa Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 Squirrel: Do you have a link for purchase of the tape product? Thanks. Quote
74657 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 If you are installing new windows I find it easiest to use the 3m Urethane window adhesive. It is pretty easy to work with, cleans off your hands with MEK and if any oozes out when you install the window, let it dry in place as it is simple to clean off when it sets up. If you are wanting to finish the installation off with a bead of sealant around the window, not that you need it, use Proseal with masking tape lines like I mentioned earlier. I did all of the windows in my Tiger using the 3m product and had no problems. The tube is slightly undersize but fits in a caulk gun. I just helped install a front windscreen on a 182 using the same procedure. Quote
scottfromiowa Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 O.K...I've got a vote for 3M Urethane and votes for Dow Silicone product. Which is easiest and best? Quote
N601RX Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Semikit is just the type of packaging that the sealent comes in. You can get both flamemaster and PRC products in a semikit package. If you go back to the link in your original post the tube in the picture that looks like a round tube with a nozzel on it is a semikit package. The 2 parts are already measured inside the tube. You just move the plundger up and down about 60 times to mix it and then dispense it with a caulking gun. The only downside is you have to mix it all at once, but it is not as messy and easy to dispense. Dow 795 is also silicon based so it will cause a lot of headache if you plan on painting. Also be aware that the most of the older silicons are mildly acidic (the vinigar smell). It's a great sealer, just be aware of the side affects. I went through the same thoughts and spent a lot of time looking at different sealents and in the end just used what mooney specifies in SB 208. Quote
scottfromiowa Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 Mike: How many of these "kits" as shown on the link do I need for the side windows? Thanks, Scott Quote
scottfromiowa Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 The kits appear to only be 6 ounces... Quote
N601RX Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 I used 3 of them. Get the B2 version which will give 2 hours of work time. The B12 will only give 1/2 hour. Quote
sleepingsquirrel Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 http://mobilehomepartsstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=403311 Hi Scott, This stuff is everywhere local, You just have to find the geometry that works for you. It is cheap but wonderful, I know you only want to do this once. I did the passenger window with this and it lives up to its marketing. It's so cheap, just buy some and play with it. It will make you smile at its ease of application. Quote
scottfromiowa Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 O.K. I think I'm set. Thanks everybody. Scott Quote
Shadrach Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 The "Semikit" is actually a Semkit and is a cratridge designed for a Semco gun. Scott, I have a Semco Gun that bought on Ebay brand new for $35. You can borrow it if you want, but I only have the 2.5oz cartrige attachment (looking for a 6 or an 8 oz attachement). Just shoot me a PM. These are just a few of many on Ebay right now... Semco 250A 6 Inch Sealing Caulk Gun Semco Model 250B 6 oz Pneumatic Sealer Gun All Metal Semco Model 250B 6 oz Pneumatic Sealer Gun All Metal Semco Model 250 2.5 oz Pneumatic Sealer Gun All Metal Quote
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