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Seth Grand Master

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One of our members is looking for a step up to a six seat aircraft.  For some time, and believe me, I do not have the funds to do it anytime soon, especially now, I've been thinking of creating either a flying club or small group of owners that would have access to just a few airplanes.  This is not a dream hanger:  That would include a P-51D Mustang, PC-12 or TBM, Falcon, etc . . .


The smart hanger would probably work best having their own plane owned outright, for instance, I don't think I'd want to share my Mooney Missile with anyone, but if I needed a six seater, a taildragger, a grass strip airplane, a twin, etc . . . I'd love to have access to one that I know has been flown by a good pilot and that is well taken care of.   I'm not sure the structure at this time, but for the sake of throwing it out there, and this would be realistic costs wise, what would be in the joint hanger and why?


I own a Mooney - so that would not be one of them, but I would have access to it:


Six seater yes - Piper 6, C-206, C-210, Saratoga, A36


Trainer of some sort?  I don't know - maybe so we could all have a second plane that doesn't cost much to run if we need a chase plane for maintenance drop off or somehting, but that may be duplication of simply using the other aircraft in the hanger- C172, PA-28, C-152?  Then again, having a 152 for close to nothing split multiple was may be nice.


Tail dragger - Maybe aerobatic for fun?  Citabria, Swift, C-140, C-170


Basic utility plane instead of trainer?  - C-182 - one of the best all around GA aircraft?


Twin - Instead of the six seater?  FIKI?  The twin would have six seats, not 4, and be a traveling machine


Cabin Class?  Would you add something like a C-414?  Early King Air?  I know that would be expenseive, but what about an MU-2 Split five ways?


Remember, your Mooney is not to be shared, but the make up could be similar to the following:


1.  Piper 6, Fiki Twin, C152, C170


2.  Fiki Twin, Citabria, C182


3.  Fiki Twin, Piper 6, C170


4.  Fiki Twin, Citabria, Piper 6, T-6 Texan! (okay dreaming a bit) 


This is just an idea, but if you were to jointly own a few planes with about four or five others, along with your Mooney that they don't fly, what would you add and why?


-Seth


 


 

skyking Experienced

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Would I? Hell yes.


I was actually considering renting when we all go away but after looking into the daily minimums etc it is just not worth it.


 

jetdriven Grand Master

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I was thinking about a MOO-share idea where M20J pilots over the country pledge their aircraft, and others in the program can rent the airplane for a nominal fee, such as 30$ plus gas.  Open pilot warranty wil cover you. Could work also for M20C, E, F, and K as well.   This allows owners in the network to fly in a variety of areas in the country without paying 500$ to checkout and then rent a skyhawk.   Interested?

mjc Community Regular

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Would not the MOO-share program as described cause the aircraft to be considered as operated for hire? And therefore it would need 100 hour inspections and different insurance? Also, I don't believe that operating an airplane under an open pilot warranty includes a waiver of subrogation.

jetdriven Grand Master

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Our insurance compnay allows lending for a not for profit usage. I wouldnt consider that 'for hire".   30$ plus gas is a break even number. 

201er Grand Master

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Quote: jetdriven

I was thinking about a MOO-share idea where M20J pilots over the country pledge their aircraft, and others in the program can rent the airplane for a nominal fee, such as 30$ plus gas.  Open pilot warranty wil cover you. Could work also for M20C, E, F, and K as well.   This allows owners in the network to fly in a variety of areas in the country without paying 500$ to checkout and then rent a skyhawk.   Interested?

Hank Grand Master

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I don't quite see the point of this. If I came to visit you in Texas, I'd already have my Mooney there with me so what would be the purpose of renting yours? Cool

Seth Grand Master

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If anyone in the suburban MD area wants to start a club for a Citabria (kcab), Super D, S1S or S2C,.....I am interested. Has to be Tipton, FDK, HGR or GAI.

jetdriven Grand Master

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For examply my wife has family in DC and could use a plane a couple days a year to mess about on the east coast.  We live in Houston and a Mooney shrinks the state, but Mexico and AZ are that much closer. 

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I don't quite see the point of this. If I came to visit you in Texas, I'd already have my Mooney there with me so what would be the purpose of renting yours? Cool

jetdriven Grand Master

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Once you get into twins and especially pressurized twin Cessnas you start getting into 20K annuals, 12K insurance, recurrent training yearly for each pilot, and 35K per wing for engine overhauls.  Then 33-35 gallons per hour.  Just be aware you can spend a hundred grand on an airplane in one year, and be prepared for that.


EDIT: I dont think a Baron or Seneca is in that category, but it still going to be frightfully more expensive than a Mooney.

Seth Grand Master

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Quote: jetdriven

Once you get into twins and especially pressurized twin Cessnas you start getting into 20K annuals, 12K insurance, recurrent training yearly for each pilot, and 35K per wing for engine overhauls.  Then 33-35 gallons per hour.  Just be aware you can spend a hundred grand on an airplane in one year, and be prepared for that.

bnicolette Veteran

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Personally I would be very interested in such a thing.  I also believe that if I were to step up to a twin, it would have to be a 310 being that it is the same philosophy of the Mooney.  Fast, economical, proven, etc........


I would also be very interested in an aerobatic airplane such as a Decathalon.  I did a 20 hour aerobatic course in a Decathalon and it was really some of the funnest flying I have done to date.


Please keep me in the loop.


 


Brett

aviatoreb Grand Master

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Besides being a traveling machine, my mooney is my very own special toy that I like to wax and take care of.  So I like having this as my airplane.  But it does not do all things.  I wish there were a club around I could join.  If there were one more airplane to join into sharing in a club basis - it would be something low and slow and yellow colored and tail dragger (or floats).  It would be an inexpensive aside airplane.


Beyond that, as much as I would like to have the several categories of other airplanes, cost aside, I would worry about staying current enough not flying them much.  But the dream list includes, a six seater piston, a small twin, a large pressurized twin, a turbo prop, a jet, an aerobatic piston, a jet, a helicopter....


Oh and a glider!


My green machine mooney is more than I should ever ask for so I promise to stop noticing other pretty machines.

fantom Grand Master

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My green machine mooney is more than I should ever ask for so I promise to stop noticing other pretty machines.

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