ragedracer1977 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 Currently have a GMA340. I have a GDL69A with Siriusxm audio controlled by a G500. In its current configuration, the xm audio is sorta worthless. Every time ATC talks, the music completely mutes. In comparison, if I send Bluetooth music to my light speed headset, the music just attenuates, but it’s still there. what audio panel can I install that will allow me to attenuate the music instead of muting it? And will there be wiring changes needed or just slide in a PMA450B or a GMA345? I’ve played with a 345, but I have no idea of it will do what I want. Or the 450B for that matter. The 345 is considerably less expensive, but if it doesn’t “fix” my issue.... Quote
carusoam Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 Brice, Good news... I see the words soft muted when... https://static.garmin.com/pumac/GMA340AudioPanel_PilotsGuide.pdf I only read a few pages on the way to intercom... So... I am only guessing what soft muting actually means... Let us know if you need/want additional info... I can always read a few more pages, more closely... The PMA450B would be the ultimate audio panel... but not a perfect match for going All big G... Best regards, -a- Quote
chriscalandro Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 There should be a dip switch or software setting for it. Do you know what input it is? Quote
ArtVandelay Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 You can slide in the 450B, but I don’t think it has the attenuated functionality. It does have 4 unmuted inputs but I don’t think they are stereo. Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Report Posted August 25, 2020 58 minutes ago, carusoam said: Brice, Good news... I see the words soft muted when... https://static.garmin.com/pumac/GMA340AudioPanel_PilotsGuide.pdf I only read a few pages on the way to intercom... So... I am only guessing what soft muting actually means... Let us know if you need/want additional info... I can always read a few more pages, more closely... The PMA450B would be the ultimate audio panel... but not a perfect match for going All big G... Best regards, -a- Yeah, it says that, but it's not true. It completely mutes it 1 Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Report Posted August 25, 2020 41 minutes ago, chriscalandro said: There should be a dip switch or software setting for it. Do you know what input it is? I don't. I could figure it out probably. Theres a switch for ICS mute (mutes music when passengers talk). That works. But still mutes when ATC talks Quote
EricJ Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, ragedracer1977 said: Currently have a GMA340. I have a GDL69A with Siriusxm audio controlled by a G500. In its current configuration, the xm audio is sorta worthless. Every time ATC talks, the music completely mutes. In comparison, if I send Bluetooth music to my light speed headset, the music just attenuates, but it’s still there. what audio panel can I install that will allow me to attenuate the music instead of muting it? And will there be wiring changes needed or just slide in a PMA450B or a GMA345? I’ve played with a 345, but I have no idea of it will do what I want. Or the 450B for that matter. The 345 is considerably less expensive, but if it doesn’t “fix” my issue.... The PMA450B is very configurable, but I've always had mine set up to mute on radio, and it mutes the music completely during radio reception in that mode. According to the manual you can configure to mute on radio, intercom, both, or not at all. There are two wired music inputs and with the B two BT inputs, so potentially four music sources and you can route them around however you want. I think I figured out at one point that each pax can listen to any of the four sources, and all four can be different it desired. You can wire override switches to the pax locations so they can override the mute settings to their headsets. I don't see a capability for partial muting on radio, though. FWIW, it took me very little time to adapt to the music muting completely on radio input, and I actually find that method preferable now. It's kind of an auto-attention-direct. Sucks when the Payson traffic keeps interrupting the flow, though. 1 Quote
chriscalandro Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 8 hours ago, ragedracer1977 said: I don't. I could figure it out probably. Theres a switch for ICS mute (mutes music when passengers talk). That works. But still mutes when ATC talks Looking through the manual music 1 mutes with radios. Music 2 looks like it doesn’t. repin 1 to 2 1 Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Report Posted August 25, 2020 12 hours ago, EricJ said: The PMA450B is very configurable, but I've always had mine set up to mute on radio, and it mutes the music completely during radio reception in that mode. According to the manual you can configure to mute on radio, intercom, both, or not at all. There are two wired music inputs and with the B two BT inputs, so potentially four music sources and you can route them around however you want. I think I figured out at one point that each pax can listen to any of the four sources, and all four can be different it desired. You can wire override switches to the pax locations so they can override the mute settings to their headsets. I don't see a capability for partial muting on radio, though. FWIW, it took me very little time to adapt to the music muting completely on radio input, and I actually find that method preferable now. It's kind of an auto-attention-direct. Sucks when the Payson traffic keeps interrupting the flow, though. It doesn't bother me so much, except in "busy" areas. You'll be on flight following and atc is talking to 30 airliners. Every other word is muted on the music. It's irritating lol 1 Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Report Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, chriscalandro said: Looking through the manual music 1 mutes with radios. Music 2 looks like it doesn’t. repin 1 to 2 I'll try that. Thats a pretty simple thing to do Quote
StevenL757 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 14 hours ago, ragedracer1977 said: Currently have a GMA340. I have a GDL69A with Siriusxm audio controlled by a G500. In its current configuration, the xm audio is sorta worthless. Every time ATC talks, the music completely mutes. In comparison, if I send Bluetooth music to my light speed headset, the music just attenuates, but it’s still there. what audio panel can I install that will allow me to attenuate the music instead of muting it? And will there be wiring changes needed or just slide in a PMA450B or a GMA345? I’ve played with a 345, but I have no idea of it will do what I want. Or the 450B for that matter. The 345 is considerably less expensive, but if it doesn’t “fix” my issue.... Anything from PS Engineering (especially the PMA-450B) is really the cats meow in audio panels. Superior to Garmin in many ways, they're affordable and extremely well-supported. Inviting @Mscheuer to speak from the horse's mouth...so to speak. :-) Mark - thoughts? 2 Quote
ArtVandelay Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 Looking through the manual music 1 mutes with radios. Music 2 looks like it doesn’t. repin 1 to 2 I couldn’t find what you’re referencing. I did see where you can add a switch to disable muting if using the intercom for the passengers. Pilot can enable this mode as well for both 1&2...it’s called Karaoke mode. Quote
chriscalandro Posted August 25, 2020 Report Posted August 25, 2020 It’s in the 340 manual in music inputs Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted August 26, 2020 Author Report Posted August 26, 2020 2 hours ago, chriscalandro said: @ragedracer1977 I have a music 2 input jack in the back seat. I’ll plug something into that and experiment before I muss with wires. 1 Quote
chriscalandro Posted August 26, 2020 Report Posted August 26, 2020 For the record I have the 345. If I did it again I’d get the pma450b Quote
xcrmckenna Posted August 27, 2020 Report Posted August 27, 2020 I’m looking to upgrade. I have a PS8000BT if you were interested. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Davidv Posted August 27, 2020 Report Posted August 27, 2020 20 hours ago, chriscalandro said: For the record I have the 345. If I did it again I’d get the pma450b So if I understand correctly, the 345 will soft mute the music? I just ordered one as part of a larger upgrade and since I'm getting all Garmin equipment. Quote
chriscalandro Posted August 27, 2020 Report Posted August 27, 2020 I believe the 345 you can set it. It’s either a dip switch or a software setting Quote
Davidv Posted August 27, 2020 Report Posted August 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, chriscalandro said: I believe the 345 you can set it. It’s either a dip switch or a software setting Thanks, I also just confirmed with my installer that you can set it for mute or soft mute. This was driving my decision on whether to add XM to my installation. I think I’ll go ahead with it based on this. Quote
Mscheuer Posted August 30, 2020 Report Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Thank you Steven for your invitation. Regarding “Softmute”, PS Engineering Trade Marked the name in 1992 when we introduced the PM3000 intercom. The word “Softmute” actually was coined by Marc Cook, at that time, a writer for AOPA. it refers to the slow return of the music once it is muted. While we have legal rights to patent 4,941,187 (now expired) we wanted to give the pilot even more flexibility of music by being able to turn muting off completely. We call that the Karaoke Mode”. I often will place my tunes in the background with the aircraft radio in the foreground. This works perfectly for me, especially when I’m being bounced around in IMC, it helps to take the edge off. The GMA345 only allow the selection of music that everyone hears, this is accomplished by pressing the SEL button. Everyone can her Bluetooth, Music 1, or Music 2. There is a switch in the rear right side of the unit which, when switched, allows the passengers to always hear music 2. So in fact, it does not have music distribution, as far as I know. The PMA8000 series provides much more flexibility for music distribution while the PMA450B can do just about anything. IMHO, unless the pilot wants to use GARMIN’s Telligence with the GTN series, or doesn’t have room for stand alone audio panel, I personally can’t think of a single reason why to go with any other audio panel than one of ours. And I’m trying very hard to be objective! I’ll be happy to answer any questions you might have. Mark Scheuer PS Engineering Edited September 16, 2020 by Mscheuer Changed Mark to Marc and added “or doesn’t have room for a stand alone audio panel” 3 Quote
Mscheuer Posted August 30, 2020 Report Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 12:44 AM, carusoam said: .The PMA450B would be the ultimate audio panel... but not a perfect match for going All big G... Best regards, Out of curiosity, besides the name on the panel, what doesn’t match? Mark Scheuer PS Engineering Quote
Mscheuer Posted August 30, 2020 Report Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) On 8/27/2020 at 11:02 AM, Davidv said: Thanks, I also just confirmed with my installer that you can set it for mute or soft mute. This was driving my decision on whether to add XM to my installation. I think I’ll go ahead with it based on this. Better triple check @Davidv Edited August 30, 2020 by Mscheuer Quote
carusoam Posted August 30, 2020 Report Posted August 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Mscheuer said: Out of curiosity, besides the name on the panel, what doesn’t match? Mark Scheuer PS Engineering Mark, Let me see if I can clear that statement up a bit... For those people that insist on having an all Garmin panel... Something other than Garmin in the panel is a mis-match for them... Unfortunately, they miss out on having the best audio solution this way... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
ArtVandelay Posted August 30, 2020 Report Posted August 30, 2020 Mark, Let me see if I can clear that statement up a bit... For those people that insist on having an all Garmin panel... Something other than Garmin in the panel is a mis-match for them... Unfortunately, they miss out on having the best audio solution this way... Best regards, -a- I have the 450, great box, but Garmin does have the Telligence technology. Quote
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