Huitt3106 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 I know I've posted a couple times lately but have found the market to be less than ideal up to this point (out of my budget or have been sitting when pressing the seller for previous years flying times). I want to purchase an M20C that is a 1965 or newer with at least an IFR gps. If anybody is considering selling theirs or knows of one on the market or possibly coming to the market that is in good condition I'd be happy to speak with them. I don't need new paint or new interior, just one that is has functional IFR platform (I want to get my IR in it) and is solid mechanically. Any help is much appreciated! Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Report Posted July 20, 2019 One addition is that I’m on the East coast and would prefer to stay east of the Mississippi unless there’s a nice example. Thank you in advance!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
KLRDMD Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, Huitt3106 said: I want to purchase an M20C that is a 1965 or newer with at least an IFR gps. https://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/52583833/1969-mooney-m20c-ranger?dlr=1&pcid=17527&crmid=614667&if=1 Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Report Posted July 20, 2019 https://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/52583833/1969-mooney-m20c-ranger?dlr=1&pcid=17527&crmid=614667&if=1 It’s definitely a nice C model but seems overpriced and is out of my budget. That’s the speed bump I keep hitting. I’m in the mid 40s and up to $50k for a reasonable example on my budget. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
KLRDMD Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Huitt3106 said: It’s definitely a nice C model but seems overpriced and is out of my budget. That’s the speed bump I keep hitting. I’m in the mid 40s and up to $50k for a reasonable example on my budget. I'm not sure it is possible to get what you want for the price you want to in pay today's market. A couple of years ago, yes. Now, probably not. 1 Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Report Posted July 20, 2019 I'm not sure it is possible to get what you want for the price you want to in pay today's market. A couple of years ago, yes. Now, probably not. You may be right, but at the same time I’m not looking for a top of the market example either. I’m just looking for a sound airframe/ engine combination with an old gps. I’m fine with older paint and no a/p. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Rwsavory Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 I’m not sure I would limit my choices to 1965 or newer with your budget. There is nothing wrong with the older models. But, here is something to consider: https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Single+Engine+Piston&make=MOONEY&model=M20C&listing_id=2358771&s-type=aircraft 1 Quote
Sabremech Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Huitt3106 said: I know I've posted a couple times lately but have found the market to be less than ideal up to this point (out of my budget or have been sitting when pressing the seller for previous years flying times). I want to purchase an M20C that is a 1965 or newer with at least an IFR gps. If anybody is considering selling theirs or knows of one on the market or possibly coming to the market that is in good condition I'd be happy to speak with them. I don't need new paint or new interior, just one that is has functional IFR platform (I want to get my IR in it) and is solid mechanically. Any help is much appreciated! My 1966 C model will be on the market soon or sooner depending on it fitting your needs. It is quite sound mechanically, has an older IFR gps and paint is not pretty but sounds like it may fit what you’re looking for. I have it opened up for its annual inspection and am redoing the tired soft materials in the interior. I have not put a spec sheet together yet but would be willing to talk with you about it if you’d like more information. E-mail is sabremech at gmail.com. Thank you, David Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Report Posted July 20, 2019 I’m not sure I would limit my choices to 1965 or newer with your budget. There is nothing wrong with the older models. But, here is something to consider: https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Single+Engine+Piston&make=MOONEY&model=M20C&listing_id=2358771&s-type=aircraft I’ve tried getting in touch with that person but haven’t received a response yet. I may try calling tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 21, 2019 Author Report Posted July 21, 2019 My 1966 C model will be on the market soon or sooner depending on it fitting your needs. It is quite sound mechanically, has an older IFR gps and paint is not pretty but sounds like it may fit what you’re looking for. I have it opened up for its annual inspection and am redoing the tired soft materials in the interior. I have not put a spec sheet together yet but would be willing to talk with you about it if you’d like more information. E-mail is sabremech at gmail.com. Thank you, David I’ve sent you an email!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Sabremech Posted July 21, 2019 Report Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Huitt3106 said: I’ve sent you an email! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sent you a couple of e-mail replies. Thank you. Quote
rbridges Posted July 21, 2019 Report Posted July 21, 2019 I saw a '64 E model for sale in Georgia for $38. It's listed on barnstormers. Besides the rear window, I don't know of a major difference with '65 models. Quote
carusoam Posted July 21, 2019 Report Posted July 21, 2019 65s came with a handful of nice to haves... It was a major refresh to get the handful... So if all things being equal, 65 and newer is slightly more desirable... Those handful of things can be added to the older models... except the shape of the windows... Best regards, -a- Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 21, 2019 Author Report Posted July 21, 2019 I saw a '64 E model for sale in Georgia for $38. It's listed on barnstormers. Besides the rear window, I don't know of a major difference with '65 models. I saw that one too and am working on getting more information. It seems like a good price. Apparently the logs prior to 1985 are missing which is somewhat concerning though the seller was straight forward about it. I think the way the lower cowl is attached is different. Screws vs quicker fasteners I think though I could be completely wrong. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 21, 2019 Author Report Posted July 21, 2019 65s came with a handful of nice to haves... It was a major refresh to get the handful... So if all things being equal, 65 and newer is slightly more desirable... Those handful of things can be added to the older models... except the shape of the windows... Best regards, -a- What in specific would you say are the biggest differences on 65 and newer (outside of the windows)? Thanks!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
carusoam Posted July 21, 2019 Report Posted July 21, 2019 There is a list around here that has year by year changes... The hardware changes were nice, stainless steal updates make them even better... The fuel strainer and location were my strongest selling points... not sure what year that actually happened... Find the list... it was possibly MAPA related... It comes up in conversation often... Best regards, -a- Quote
BigD Posted July 21, 2019 Report Posted July 21, 2019 I believe 1965 was year Mooney introduced Positive Control on C model. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote
NJMac Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 I was talking about more real estate today and my wife reminded me todays market is not the time to be buying anything. Have to agree with her, prices on just avout everything are HOT. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 22, 2019 Author Report Posted July 22, 2019 I was talking about more real estate today and my wife reminded me todays market is not the time to be buying anything. Have to agree with her, prices on just avout everything are HOT. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk I don’t disagree with you, we lucked out on a home purchase last year and got a really good deal. This year a similar home is going for $50k more than we paid (I’m in southern VA where home prices are reasonable). I have found that the aircraft which aren’t top of the market are still bringing a reasonable price (higher than 3 years ago still) and that’s where I’m likely heading for a purchase. The top 25% of the quality seems to be making up 75% of the price increases. I know the mindset is to buy the best examples of the aircraft you want, but I cannot see paying the prices or anywhere near what some people are asking. It does appear though that the airplanes on the market that are asking the really high prices are sitting for quite a while. I’ve noticed a few that have been on the market for over a month or more and are steadily having to drop their asking price. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote
MikeOH Posted July 22, 2019 Report Posted July 22, 2019 My advice to a discriminating buyer is to be ready with cash when the right plane at the right price comes along. I missed out on two before I figured that rule out 2 Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 22, 2019 Author Report Posted July 22, 2019 My advice to a discriminating buyer is to be ready with cash when the right plane at the right price comes along. I missed out on two before I figured that rule out The best advice! I’ve been sitting on the cash for this purchase just waiting. It seemed when I didn’t have the cash there were several at a good price and matching my desires. Now, not so much luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
gsxrpilot Posted July 23, 2019 Report Posted July 23, 2019 18 hours ago, Huitt3106 said: The best advice! I’ve been sitting on the cash for this purchase just waiting. It seemed when I didn’t have the cash there were several at a good price and matching my desires. Now, not so much luck. They will come back around. They seem to come to market in bunches. Sit tight and keep that cash ready. 3 Quote
KaiGywer Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 If you aren't set on a C, my friend has an E for sale. I've been flying it for the last 1.5 years since he's working out of the country. Currently listed at $56k, but you might be able to negotiate with him. I was gonna send you the trade a plane link, but looks like it expired. Quote
Huitt3106 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Report Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KaiGywer said: If you aren't set on a C, my friend has an E for sale. I've been flying it for the last 1.5 years since he's working out of the country. Currently listed at $56k, but you might be able to negotiate with him. I was gonna send you the trade a plane link, but looks like it expired. I wouldn't say I'm dead set on a C, just most of what I've been looking at the C fits my budget better. Do you know any details on it such as model year, TSMOH, avionics, tank sealing timeframe, etc? Thanks Edited July 24, 2019 by Huitt3106 forgot something Quote
KaiGywer Posted July 24, 2019 Report Posted July 24, 2019 44 minutes ago, Huitt3106 said: I wouldn't say I'm dead set on a C, just most of what I've been looking at the C fits my budget better. Do you know any details on it such as model year, TSMOH, avionics, tank sealing timeframe, etc? Thanks 1974 Mooney M20E 3527 TTAF / 1691 SMOH (subject to change as airplane is flying) Compressions - #1 74/80 #2 76/80 #3 70/80 #4 68/80 Last annual 5/2019. ELT, IFR, XPDR checks due 2/2020 Terra TMA230 audio panel Bendix/King KLN89B IFR GPS Nav/Comm 1 - Narco MK12E Nav/Comm 2 – King KX 175B Narco DME 890 King KT78 transponder 4 place intercom, dual PTT Extensive annual completed 5/2019. Removed recurrent AD, new tail pipe and more. Copy available on request. Paint/leather interior 2014. Send me a private message with your email and I’ll get you in touch with the owner and I can send you photos if you’re interested. Quote
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