ragedracer1977 Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 Besides @oregon87? i bought a used FP-5L on eBay. We installed it yesterday and it all works, except for the L part. It won’t communicate with the GPS in either direction. In fact, the screens that are supposed to be there to program how it talks to the GPS aren’t even there. It’s like its an FP-5. It says FP-5L on the side. It has fuel to destination and MPG functions. But they just don’t seem to work. Did I get a bad unit or did we miss something on the programming? I do not have a fuel pressure transducer. I only have fuel flow. Is there a chance that that is required for the GPS functions to work? Quote
MikeOH Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 After entering 'Power up programming mode' by holding both buttons down and then turning on power, there should be 11 'screens' to cycle through. If there are only 9, then it would seem you have just the FP-5. Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Report Posted July 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, MikeOH said: After entering 'Power up programming mode' by holding both buttons down and then turning on power, there should be 11 'screens' to cycle through. If there are only 9, then it would seem you have just the FP-5. Yup. There are only 9. Which doesn’t make sense. It’s labeled an L. It has wires in the factory harness for RS232. It has the labels that only the L has. Quote
MikeOH Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 Hmm, if it was me, I'd call EI on Monday. Maybe it is the missing pressure sensor (which makes no sense. But, who knows...the factory!) I've called Insight for questions on my Strikefinder and, STEC on my autopilot and was quickly put through to technically savvy personnel that have quickly answered my questions. Hopefully, EI can do the same. Good luck! Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Report Posted July 13, 2019 Yeah, I’m going to. I already sent a note to Dave. I’m not upset with the seller, it has every indication it’s the L. It has a 30 day guarantee, so if I can’t straighten it out with EI (maybe there’s something we did wrong!) I’ll return it. Just a bummer because it looks brand new Quote
MikeOH Posted July 13, 2019 Report Posted July 13, 2019 I hear you; I'd be bummed after buying and then having issues right off the bat. You're smart to be addressing this right away; sometimes these things sit in the box for a couple months before being installed. Then, when problems develop the 30 day guarantee has expired! Quote
carusoam Posted July 14, 2019 Report Posted July 14, 2019 Some devices lately sense if there are connections before giving you the screens to set things up... Is it possible the GPS plug isn’t connected and not being sensed? also check what version of software it is running... it may have old software and not enabled... EI is generally a good company to work with... Good luck, it is great data to have. Best regards, -a- Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Report Posted July 14, 2019 2 hours ago, carusoam said: Some devices lately sense if there are connections before giving you the screens to set things up... Is it possible the GPS plug isn’t connected and not being sensed? also check what version of software it is running... it may have old software and not enabled... EI is generally a good company to work with... Good luck, it is great data to have. Best regards, -a- According to the manual, you should get an indication of OFF if the GPS isn't connected. Quote
oregon87 Posted July 15, 2019 Report Posted July 15, 2019 ragedracer1977, sent you a PM and a link to the "old" FP-5L operating instructions. As it was brought up, a pressure transducer connection is not required for GPS connectivity. Does your FP-5L power-up programming offer L 1 or L 2 options? These are the older FP-5L Loran settings for setting up the system to interface with a GPS. The newer versions of the FP-5L include In1, In2, In3, Ot0, Ot1, Ot2 and Ot3. Quote
jaylw314 Posted July 15, 2019 Report Posted July 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, oregon87 said: ragedracer1977, sent you a PM and a link to the "old" FP-5L operating instructions. As it was brought up, a pressure transducer connection is not required for GPS connectivity. Does your FP-5L power-up programming offer L 1 or L 2 options? These are the older FP-5L Loran settings for setting up the system to interface with a GPS. The newer versions of the FP-5L include In1, In2, In3, Ot0, Ot1, Ot2 and Ot3. Wow, I haven't seen the word "Loran" in a long time Quote
oregon87 Posted July 15, 2019 Report Posted July 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, jaylw314 said: Wow, I haven't seen the word "Loran" in a long time The FP-5L was designed a LONG time ago. Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted July 15, 2019 Author Report Posted July 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, oregon87 said: ragedracer1977, sent you a PM and a link to the "old" FP-5L operating instructions. As it was brought up, a pressure transducer connection is not required for GPS connectivity. Does your FP-5L power-up programming offer L 1 or L 2 options? These are the older FP-5L Loran settings for setting up the system to interface with a GPS. The newer versions of the FP-5L include In1, In2, In3, Ot0, Ot1, Ot2 and Ot3. I do not recall seeing L1 or L2. But I'm not sure. In addition, when I press the F to D button nothing happens. I don't get any indication. Do you have to hold the button down for some period of time? Quote
jaylw314 Posted July 15, 2019 Report Posted July 15, 2019 51 minutes ago, ragedracer1977 said: I do not recall seeing L1 or L2. But I'm not sure. In addition, when I press the F to D button nothing happens. I don't get any indication. Do you have to hold the button down for some period of time? Nope, it should change displays with a quick tap Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Report Posted July 16, 2019 @oregon87 So, for the old FP-5L, the steps should be 1. Full fuel level 2. K Factor 3. Filter 4. Display update time 5. Loran/GPS interface. I get: 1. First and second fuel levels 2. K Factor 3. Filter 4. Display update time 5. Fuel flow at 75% power 6. AUX channel control 7. Scan Rate. This sequence matches none of the manuals.... Quote
oregon87 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) That's definitely a strange one as the serial number was produced in 2004. We changed the programming to the "new" style in 2002, so this FP-5L is operating according to the new and current programming. The original invoice shows it to be a FP-5L and it was returned in 2012 for a bench test, but I don't have any details as to what was done, other than it was still invoiced as a FP-5L and unfortunately that invoice has been archived. This one has me stumped. I'm assuming it was re-programmed for a FP-5 at some time mistakenly. The silver lining is that it can be easily reprogrammed for a FP-5L, but it would have to be returned to do so. Edited July 16, 2019 by oregon87 1 Quote
carusoam Posted July 16, 2019 Report Posted July 16, 2019 Hey Brice, you have an update... @ragedracer1977 -a- Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Report Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, oregon87 said: That's definitely a strange one as the serial number was produced in 2004. We changed the programming to the "new" style in 2002, so this FP-5L is operating according to the new and current programming. The original invoice shows it to be a FP-5L and it was returned in 2012 for a bench test, but I don't have any details as to what was done, other than it was still invoiced as a FP-5L and unfortunately that invoice has been archived. This one has me stumped. I'm assuming it was re-programmed for a FP-5 at some time mistakenly. The silver lining is that it can be easily reprogrammed for a FP-5L, but it would have to be returned to do so. I'll call you tomorrow. I'm sure that isn't free, and I need to work out with the seller how he'd like to handle that. Quote
oregon87 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Posted July 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, ragedracer1977 said: I'll call you tomorrow. I'm sure that isn't free, and I need to work out with the seller how he'd like to handle that. As this particular instrument was originally sold as a FP-5L, I'd be happy to reconfigure it as such at no charge. 2 Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Report Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, oregon87 said: As this particular instrument was originally sold as a FP-5L, I'd be happy to reconfigure it as such at no charge. Heck yeah! 1 Quote
carusoam Posted July 17, 2019 Report Posted July 17, 2019 Gotta love that EI company... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
MikeOH Posted July 17, 2019 Report Posted July 17, 2019 Yeah! That's the upright thing to do! Pretty uncommon these days. Thanks, EI 1 Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted September 13, 2019 Author Report Posted September 13, 2019 Huge thanks to EI! They turned it around in under a week. Works great now! Pretty neat that it feeds real-time data to the 430W and gives all kinds of useful info Thanks a ton @oregon87 3 Quote
ragedracer1977 Posted September 13, 2019 Author Report Posted September 13, 2019 @oregon87 or anyone else who might now, I programmed the horsepower, but now it seems to show actual horsepower rather than a percentage. I believe this is correct, but I’d like to back to percentage horsepower rather than raw. How do I do that? Quote
carusoam Posted September 14, 2019 Report Posted September 14, 2019 Sounds like a 0/1 setting in a menu somewhere... or a Y/N next to a question related power... Is there a page for preferences like °F vs °C? PP thoughts only, don’t have any EI stuff yet... Best regards, -a- Quote
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