Abandoned Mooneys

[cliffy]

To be effective at delaying corrosion, zinc chromate needs to be on all surfaces and between layers of aluminum materials. That is why manufacturers chromate before assembly of sheet metal parts. The layer of chromate does not need to be thick. A thin coating that you can read through will suffice. 

The element "chromium" is/was the concern and not for the ozone but for terrestrial issues. IMO, it is blown way out of proportion. 

https://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/cr.htm

More than you ever wanted to know about Chromium

[Mooneymite]

  On 10/29/2017 at 2:19 AM, DaV8or said:

Actually, some of the early Mooneys are zinc chromated....

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My 74 fuselage is ZC, but not the wing interiors.  Did Mooney ever ZC wing interiors?

[rbridges]

  On 10/29/2017 at 6:40 PM, Mooneymite said:

My 74 fuselage is ZC, but not the wing interiors.  Did Mooney ever ZC wing interiors?

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I remember looking into my '65s wing and seeing shiny silver. 

[Hank]

My C is the same--the fuselage is zinc chromated, but the main part of the wing is not.

[Raptor05121]

All of these abandoned Mooney's are located at W00- Freeway Airport located in Woodmore, Maryland. Apparently an FBO there was a Mooney dealer there some time ago, but is still a MSC


 

 

[RobertGary1]

  On 10/30/2017 at 4:41 AM, Raptor05121 said:

All of these abandoned Mooney's are located at W00- Freeway Airport located in Woodmore, Maryland. Apparently an FBO there was a Mooney dealer there some time ago, but is still a MSC


 

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They look rough. Do they still fly ?

 

-Robert

[RobertGary1]

  On 10/29/2017 at 2:23 PM, cliffy said:

To be effective at delaying corrosion, zinc chromate needs to be on all surfaces and between layers of aluminum materials. That is why manufacturers chromate before assembly of sheet metal parts. The layer of chromate does not need to be thick. A thin coating that you can read through will suffice. 

The element "chromium" is/was the concern and not for the ozone but for terrestrial issues. IMO, it is blown way out of proportion. 

https://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/cr.htm

More than you ever wanted to know about Chromium

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Yea they banned it here in California.  

-Robert

[Raptor05121]

  On 10/31/2017 at 3:03 PM, RobertGary1 said:

They look rough. Do they still fly ?

 

-Robert

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Robert, I have no idea. I post any and all information I see. 

[xcrmckenna]

  On 10/31/2017 at 3:04 PM, RobertGary1 said:

Yea they banned it here in California.  
-Robert

That goes without saying. They ban garden hoses in California:)


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[Hank]

  On 10/31/2017 at 11:58 PM, xcrmckenna said:

That goes without saying. They ban garden hoses in California:)
 

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They ban lots of things in California. Normal, everyday things in the rest of the world . . .

[RobertGary1]

  On 11/1/2017 at 12:01 AM, Hank said:

They ban lots of things in California. Normal, everyday things in the rest of the world . . .

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Including 2 handed gas cans. It’s really annoying having to use 3 hands to pour a gas can. 

Oh and battery chargers  have to buy the California approved version 

-Robert

[Hank]

  On 11/1/2017 at 1:17 AM, RobertGary1 said:

Including 2 handed gas cans. It’s really annoying having to use 3 hands to pour a gas can. 

Oh and battery chargers  have to buy the California approved version 

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Cars have had "California engines" for decades. Now they're talking about banning internal combustion engines . . . . Wonder how the world will travel to California and home again? Fly to Vegas and rent an electric car? For northern Cal, fly into Portland and take an electric train? (Is there one?) Already can't take your groceries home in plastic bags, at least in some Cal cities. 

[xcrmckenna]

  On 11/1/2017 at 1:53 AM, Hank said:

Cars have had "California engines" for decades. Now they're talking about banning internal combustion engines . . . . Wonder how the world will travel to California and home again? Fly to Vegas and rent an electric car? For northern Cal, fly into Portland and take an electric train? (Is there one?) Already can't take your groceries home in plastic bags, at least in some Cal cities. 

I give props for anyone that can stand to live in Cali.....


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[mooniac15u]

California definitely has a reputation for being over the top in banning things. However, chromium (VI) is actually a serious carcinogen.  You would be better off avoiding chromium compounds. 

[carusoam]

Don't be too quick to condemn somebody's bird to the scrap heap...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N3526H

Seems like this one may not be really dead... the FA radar was dated 2014 ending at WOO...

From the photo, it looked like the lower cowling had been removed for maintenance... the glass looks pristine, not the way it would look in a couple of years of outdoor storage...

The F... lists 180hp on its registration...

https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N3856N

The J also lists 180hp... Last flight 14years ago ending at WOO

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N4223H

MSCs are a last hope a bird may have before being condemned for expensive AW work.  Expensive is in the eye of the existing owner...

There is a right price for birds that are nearly flyable... it’s not very much...

Best regards,

-a-

[RobertGary1]

  On 11/1/2017 at 1:53 AM, Hank said:

Cars have had "California engines" for decades. Now they're talking about banning internal combustion engines . . . . Wonder how the world will travel to California and home again? Fly to Vegas and rent an electric car? For northern Cal, fly into Portland and take an electric train? (Is there one?) Already can't take your groceries home in plastic bags, at least in some Cal cities. 

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Even california lawn mowers. Found a good one at HomeDepot.com and went to buy it but it doesn’t have California emissions. Have to have the vapor recovery. So I ended up paying more. 

-Robert 

[Bravoman]

  On 11/1/2017 at 12:01 AM, Hank said:

They ban lots of things in California. Normal, everyday things in the rest of the world . . .

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That’s why they call it the people’s republic. There is inverse proportionality between the level of socialism in a particular place and the freedoms enjoyed by the inhabitants. 

[DaV8or]

  On 11/1/2017 at 1:53 AM, Hank said:

Cars have had "California engines" for decades. Now they're talking about banning internal combustion engines . . . . Wonder how the world will travel to California and home again? Fly to Vegas and rent an electric car? For northern Cal, fly into Portland and take an electric train? (Is there one?) Already can't take your groceries home in plastic bags, at least in some Cal cities. 

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That's the big plan. Make it hard for people to get here and then maybe we can stop the hoards of people from moving here. Then the prices of everything will start to come down... hopefully.

[cliffy]

I grew up there, left 20 yrs ago, never to return. I visit reluctantly. 

There are other places in the world to live. 

[Hank]

  On 11/1/2017 at 3:33 PM, DaV8or said:

That's the big plan. Make it hard for people to get here and then maybe we can stop the hoards of people from moving here. Then the prices of everything will start to come down... hopefully.

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It also keeps people from visiting, and doing business . . . . Not that I've done much with California the last couple of decades, but I did once spend a weekend in SF then board a roundtrip cruise ship. That's tax revenue the politicos won't want to lose, but I'm not sure they can see that far down the road.

[1967 427]

There are 2 Mooney's that, in my opinion are not airworthy at my airport. (Again this is only my opinion, I am not an A&P).  It might be difficult to see in the picture, but there is a sawhorse holding up the wing.  This plane was tied down near the tower, and there the wing was actually laying on the ground.  It was recently moved to its present location - out on the back forty.  The other, sorry I don't have a picture, is a Porsche Mooney.  It does look airworthy....other than the moss all over it.  At one time I considered tracking down the owner and making him an offer, then I researched what it would take to transplant a real aircraft engine.

 

[xcrmckenna]

  On 11/4/2017 at 11:43 PM, 1967 427 said:

There are 2 Mooney's that, in my opinion are not airworthy at my airport. (Again this is only my opinion, I am not an A&P).  It might be difficult to see in the picture, but there is a sawhorse holding up the wing.  This plane was tied down near the tower, and there the wing was actually laying on the ground.  It was recently moved to its present location - out on the back forty.  The other, sorry I don't have a picture, is a Porsche Mooney.  It does look airworthy....other than the moss all over it.  At one time I considered tracking down the owner and making him an offer, then I researched what it would take to transplant a real aircraft engine.
 

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Seems airworthy to me.....


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[Hank]

  On 11/23/2017 at 8:48 PM, Hyett6420 said:

Electric trains, yep most of europes are electric.   

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That works for them because Europe is small, with high population density. 

This is the nearest town to me, where my mail is delivered from. It's about 9 miles, population ~1000 souls. And the southeast is heavily populated compared to much of the West away from the coast.

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[gsxrpilot]

  On 11/23/2017 at 9:05 PM, Hyett6420 said:

Hank, you know i love you deaely, BUT have you actually looked at a map of Europe and then compared it to the usa?  (Hint, europe is a damn sight bigger). You could quite easily electrify your rail network, it just takes investment and planning. Your rail network is pretty dire to be honest, for instance how many 200mph trains do you have? . 

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LOL... American's are not known for their grasp of geography... especially anything outside the "lower 48".

[Hank]

  On 11/23/2017 at 9:05 PM, Hyett6420 said:

Hank, you know i love you dearly, BUT have you actually looked at a map of Europe and then compared it to the usa?  (Hint, europe is a damn sight bigger). You could quite easily electrify your rail network, it just takes investment and planning. Your rail network is pretty dire to be honest, for instance how many 200mph trains do you have? . 

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Here's a nice map for comparison. Us bloody colonials don't generally think of places like Belarus and Ukraine as part of Europe, but even including them, Europe looks rather smaller than the Lower 48 U.S. states.

And I rather doubt we have any 200 mph trains. Rail here is mostly either small, inner city commuters or large, long range freight; passsenger rail is all but extinct although Amtrak keeps trying.