The new Cessna ad

[Tommy]

Am I the only one that is offended by this Cessna ad in the latest Plane & Pilot magazine?

Such magestic creature. 

And yes we all know when we buy planes we think about how many dead animals we can fit...

 

[1964-M20E]

They are referring to the ability to fly into the back country and rescue said moose and bring it to a better location like the freezer.

So what exactly are they saying can you haul 1,200lbs of what ever and the pilot and fuel to get there?

1,200 lbs useful load and full fuel pretty good but I know it has a hell of an engine up front.

The station air you get approximately 3,600 gross, 2,280 empty and 793 with full fuel 88 gallons.  So no moose carrying today unless you plan on just putting it in and using a tug to move it around the airport.  Like everything and any vehicle the details will get you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[201er]

What if the antlers don't fit through the door?

[Danb]

At least in our Mooneys we can shoot the beast fill up some containers for the freezer plus being for good earth leave the carcass so the other beasts can feed. Mooney's do fit in the food and eco chain.

[carqwik]

You'd think they'd show it carrying tools or something like that...then again, Alaska is probably the biggest market for the 206 so hauling out a shot moose is probably fairly common up there.

 

[Marauder]

They can probably regionalize the ads as well. Let's see, a Stationair full of Maine lobsters, a Stationair full of blue craps from Maryland, a Stationair full of Salmon from Alaska, a Stationair full of shrimp from Louisiana, a Stationair full of Longhorns from Texas, a Stationair full of grits from South Carolina, a Stationair full of oranges from Florida, the list goes on and on...

Now! Let's not have any of you starting turning this into a political discussion! Like a Stationair full of liberals or a Stationair full of conservatives.

Personally, I know what a Stationair was designed for. Getting Bertha to her next meal. 

[Jerry 5TJ]

I can get you a great deal on a load of blue craps from Baltimore. 

[StevenL757]

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

They can probably regionalize the ads as well. Let's see, a Stationair full of Maine lobsters, a Stationair full of blue craps from Maryland, a Stationair full of Salmon from Alaska, a Stationair full of shrimp from Louisiana, a Stationair full of Longhorns from Texas, a Stationair full of grits from South Carolina, a Stationair full of oranges from Florida, the list goes on and on...

Now! Let's not have any of you starting turning this into a political discussion! Like a Stationair full of liberals or a Stationair full of conservatives.

Personally, I know what a Stationair was designed for. Getting Bertha to her next meal. 

...or bringing the next meal to Bertha, hence, the moose.  :-)

[dlthig]

I'd rather have an elk, but I don't think those antlers would fit either. I'm a once removed vegetarian, I eat things that eat vegetables.

[Bob_Belville]

2 hours ago, 1964-M20E said:

They are referring to the ability to fly into the back country and rescue said moose and bring it to a better location like the freezer.

So what exactly are they saying can you haul 1,200lbs of what ever and the pilot and fuel to get there?

1,200 lbs useful load and full fuel pretty good but I know it has a hell of an engine up front.

The station air you get approximately 3,600 gross, 2,280 empty and 793 with full fuel 88 gallons.  So no moose carrying today unless you plan on just putting it in and using a tug to move it around the airport.  Like everything and any vehicle the details will get you.

Did you make allowance for Alaskan rules? Gross weight limits can be increased by 50% and if that is still a problem, pick a %age factor that works.

[1964-M20E]

Just now, Bob_Belville said:

Did you make allowance for Alaskan rules? Gross weight limits can be increased by 50% and if that is still a problem, pick a %age factor that works.

No I did not.  I was not aware of such and exemption if it exists or is that just a density altitude and/or a bush pilot thing?

 

 

[Bob_Belville]

1 minute ago, 1964-M20E said:

No I did not.  I was not aware of such and exemption if it exists or is that just a density altitude and/or a bush pilot thing?

 

 

I suppose it is somewhat "a bush pilot" thingy, + hyperbole. But we probably have some past or present pilots her with 1st hand experience though they may not admit it on a public forum.

[Alain B]

27 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said:

Did you make allowance for Alaskan rules? Gross weight limits can be increased by 50% and if that is still a problem, pick a %age factor that works.

Actually it's 15 % if i recall correctly , and only for special purposes , like carrying emergency equipments or extra survival gears . But it is a knowned fact , in the bush , everybody fly overweight , i did it myself at the time i was bush flying . When done correctly , with experience , it is not an issue as long as it is reasonable . Ferry pilot do it all the time . With FAA blessing . 

Edited March 6, 2017 by Alain B

[Hank]

By the time that 1200 lb moose is prepared to fly out, it will fit along with pilot, hunter and fuel. There are laws in Alaska regarding waste of animals that may require a second trip, but that may be needed for the rest of the hunting party anyway.

It's a common use for the plane, it's shown in mountainous terrain where moose hunting is popular. I think it gets the message across well, with minimum clutter from a paragraph of writing.

[Danb]

Well Tom I'll advise them to use one of Maraurder's sweethearts next time

[Jerry 5TJ]

Reminds me of another Cessna hunting story.  Sorry, involves elk & not moose.  

Two guys loaded their P210 turboprop with all their gear and "4 elk quarters" and departed a 2000' grass strip.  

Unfortunately you can read about them in the accident reports.

P210 Silver Eagle + Elk

[Alain B]

3 hours ago, Danb said:

Well Tom I'll advise them to use one of Maraurder's sweethearts next time

You need a Galaxy for this . 

[peevee]

if bush pilots can afford new turbo cessnas, well I'm moving to AK and starting my own flying service. Now to write those pesky 135 documents...

BTW, unfortunately that majestic creature is REALLY tasty.

[Jerry 5TJ]

4 minutes ago, peevee said:

if bush pilots can afford new turbo cessnas, well I'm moving to AK and starting my own flying service....

That turboprop P210 pilot was an owner-operator-hunter.  Their attempted departure was at a back-country strip in Idaho.  

[kmyfm20s]

What would the add look like for our friends looking to haul heavy loads from Columbia?

I can haul an Elk, backpack and Bow pretty well in my Mooney with enough fuel nonstop from Jackson Wyoming to San Diego.

That would be a cool add!

[peevee]

13 minutes ago, kmyfm20s said:

What would the add look like for our friends looking to haul heavy loads from Columbia?

I can haul an Elk, backpack and Bow pretty well in my Mooney with enough fuel nonstop from Jackson Wyoming to San Diego.

That would be a cool add!

I've been wanting to shoot a bison. I've been wondering how I'd load the processed meat. I guess just stack the max in baggage and the rest in the back seat.

[kmyfm20s]

The processor will deep freeze the meat. Go to Costco and buy the cheap soft coolers. You won't need or want ice since the meet has been deep frozen, it will stay that way for hours. The coolers have handles on them which makes it easy to maneuver.   You get about 25% of the carcass weight in processed meat. You can put 30lbs of meat in each soft cooler.  1200-1300 lbs Bison will yield about 230 lbs of meat and you will need 5 to 6 coolers. 3 in the baggage area 2-3 in the back seat. I take out my back seats which makes it easier to put gear in and also gives me 25lbs of useful load.

[peevee]

JAC to home is only about 1.5 hours, I figure I'd just stack the frozen vac packs.

They don't get all that much from a bison, 250ish for a cow.

[Bravoman]

14 hours ago, Tommy said:

Am I the only one that is offended by this Cessna ad in the latest Plane & Pilot magazine?

Such magestic creature. 

And yes we all know when we buy planes we think about how many dead animals we can fit...

 

Who said anything about the moose being dead?:)

[Cyril Gibb]

4 hours ago, peevee said:

BTW, unfortunately that majestic creature is REALLY tasty.

Yes, but only if you know how to cook it.  I had some incredible moose steak and sausages two weeks ago.  Wild game needs a talented chef to avoid the shoe leather meal.