faa $500 rebate.....get them while they last!

[par]

I also plan to wait it out, that is if I even end up keeping my current Mooney long enough. My plan to get a second hand 430w when their prices drop to 4k and then add what I need to make it ADSB compliant. Personally, that is about all I need and about all I can justify spending on a plane that isn't gaining in value.

[mooniac15u]

At this point you don't even need a standalone WAAS GPS. NavWorx has a unit for about $2,500 that includes the position source and plugs into the back of your existing transponder (http://www.navworx.com/navworx_store/Certified_Aircraft_TSO_STC_ADS_B_Transceivers/ADS600_B.html ).

With a box at that price point and $500 to cover labor I've already saved several AMUs by waiting. 

[Tom]

1 minute ago, par said:

Personally, that is about all I need and about all I can justify spending on a plane that isn't gaining in value.

The vintage Mooney fleet seems to have increased 10+% in value in the last 2-3 years.  If the PNC Part 23 goes through I'd venture another 20++% increase.  Just sayin'.

 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Mooneymite said:

The company I work for probably has 200 or more jets that are not ADS-B compliant.  No plans have been announced as to how compliance will be achieved.  Since most of those planes don't  have WAAS GPS either, there is a major re-fit involved.  Now add in training hundreds of crew members on the new WAAS approaches and up-graded FMSes and the down time for all those planes when we're  short of lift now and then think about all the other fleets in the US;  you'll understand our installation headaches are minor.

2020?

We'll see.  I don't  think a $500 incentive will fix this, but I'll take the cash!

A client of mine has a ground based ADSB receiver and told me of some interesting things he sees.  Certain planes which can not be tracked on Flightaware at the owners request, show up on the ADSB system overflying his home.  

For those wishing to remain private, it's getting harder, not sure how this effects your fleet?

Clarence

[Bennett]

I assumed that ADS-B nullifies my attempts to retain my privacy. I filed the forms with the FAA to not release my flight locations to private services like Flight Aware, and I know that that works. I don't care that the FAA knows where I am (and in the event of an emergency that could be a good thing). I just don't think any nut should be able to know when I am away, and where I am. A bit paranoid? Yep! I am a very private person, and I try and stay that way (outside of Mooneyspace) I wonder when Flight Aware or the like will tap into ADS-B, and if so, if the FAA will allow them to provide that information in spite of us who have "Opted Out" using the BARR program.

[bradp]

Don't forget that certain states actively track takeoffs and landings and then look to stick owners with sometimes undeserved tax burdens.  

[Ron McBride]

1 hour ago, bradp said:

Don't forget that certain states actively track takeoffs and landings and then look to stick owners with sometimes undeserved tax burdens.  

Future user fees are coming, and we are providing the methods, even VFR without flight following.

Ron

[Andy95W]

1 hour ago, N803RM said:

Future user fees are coming, and we are providing the methods, even VFR without flight following.

Ron

I agree completely for 1090ES transponders.  Whenever you turn it on, ATC knows who you are.

Some UAT solutions (Freeflight and Navworx, not sure about Garmin) have an anonymous mode which transmits a generic code when you are squawking 1200.  You can probably guess which one I'm getting.

[Browncbr1]

1 hour ago, N1395W said:

I agree completely for 1090ES transponders.  Whenever you turn it on, ATC knows who you are.

Some UAT solutions (Freeflight and Navworx, not sure about Garmin) have an anonymous mode which transmits a generic code when you are squawking 1200.  You can probably guess which one I'm getting.

Thus encouraging more VFR operations without following, which will make the skies generally less safe...  They will probably use the increase in incident/accident data to further regulate and shut us down..     bureaucrats should take a class on game theory

Edited June 9, 2016 by Browncbr1

[Sabremech]

On ‎6‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 10:20 AM, kevinw said:

The shop that does my work told me they're completely swamped with ADS-B installs right now and they're scheduling work several months out. If this is the case elsewhere there's no need for an "incentive". We have a 2020 mandate and we're all required to get our planes compliant; it's not an option. If ADS-B was optional, the rebate would make a whole lot more sense. The incentive that motivated me was the weather and traffic that comes with it and that's worth far more to me than $500. One last thing...how much of the rebate is the consumer really going to get? I have a feeling install labor may creep up and discounts on equipment may change as well. In the end, the shops may be the ones that come out on top.

We're only required to be compliant if we plan on flying in ADS-B airspace, so it is optional. I currently don't plan on installing ADS-B as I can do my flying outside of the airspace in which it is required. I personally am having a hard time justifying the expense for the equipment when there are other things that are more pressing to have installed in my aircraft.

 

[steingar]

Ahh pilots.  The FAA offers to pay you for upgrading your aircraft, and you bitch.

[Sabremech]

1 hour ago, steingar said:

Ahh pilots.  The FAA offers to pay you for upgrading your aircraft, and you bitch.

Absolutely! The benefit does not justify the cost. 

[flyboy0681]

23 hours ago, Bennett said:

. A bit paranoid? Yep! I am a very private person, and I try and stay that way (outside of Mooneyspace) I wonder when Flight Aware or the like will tap into ADS-B, and if so, if the FAA will allow them to provide that information in spite of us who have "Opted Out" using the BARR program.

Did you post this on your Facebook page as well?

[Bennett]

23 hours ago, Bennett said: . A bit paranoid? Yep! I am a very private person, and I try and stay that way (outside of Mooneyspace) I wonder when Flight Aware or the like will tap into ADS-B, and if so, if the FAA will allow them to provide that information in spite of us who have "Opted Out" using the BARR program.

Did you post this on your Facebook page as well?

I don't have a Facebook page. I try and avoid social media. The exception is Mooneyspace.

[flyboy0681]

Just now, Bennett said:

I don't have a Facebook page. I try and avoid social media. The exception is Mooneyspace.

I guess we are the two remaining American's without a Facebook presence. I do like my anonymity, with the exception of MS.

 

 

[chrisk]

On 6/8/2016 at 7:47 AM, mooniac15u said:

It's an incentive plan, not a reward plan. The goal is to encourage people to act who otherwise might not. Paying people who already acted wouldn't accomplish anything. If this program is successful it seems likely that they might extend it.

What will they want in return? I'm pretty sure they will want you to have ADS-B installed.

 

The problem is its a disincentive plan for any future mandate.   --Just wait and the FAA will help you pay for it.

Also, if the government wanted to do this the right way, it would have paid someone to develop the ADSB hardware, then given the design away to anyone who wanted to build it.  The certification cost for a developer would be near zero.   New ADS-B transponders would then be $500. --And as long as I am on this rant, a properly run agency would not approve any GPS that could not download terminal procedures and sectionals from the FAA website.  There is no reason for pilots to be paying Jeppeson (or Garmin) for public data.

[1524J]

5 hours ago, steingar said:

Ahh pilots.  The FAA offers to pay you for upgrading your aircraft, and you bitch.

I think I hear an echo.....   

[kris_adams]

Picked up 79H with its new KT74 ADSB out transponder on Friday.  Good luck to all of you getting $$$ from Uncle Sam (technically the rest of us).

-Kris

[carusoam]

MS gentlemen's rule #74... Photos must be posted Before gloating can begin, officially.

unofficially, you have another day before the photos become required.

This is an attempt at Mooney humor.  Could be simple panel envy.

Best regards,

-a-

[Yetti]

On 6/8/2016 at 5:05 PM, Bennett said:

 I wonder when Flight Aware or the like will tap into ADS-B, and if so, if the FAA will allow them to provide that information in spite of us who have "Opted Out" using the BARR program.

They have been crowd sourcing flight data good while now.   They send you a free receiver (like a stratux) hook it up and send the planes over your house to their database.  Since your registration info is online, all they have to do is a database match. Or just start logging your flights till they have enough information.  Flight Radar 24 also does this.

[Guitarmaster]

17 minutes ago, Marauder said: The ones that are bitchin' are the ones who spent their money already. I'm sitting on the sideline waiting for it to get to $1,000.

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That's me. I already invested.  I want my government hand out.

'merca!!!

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