Marauder Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 I believe they are on an extended vacation until after the elections. I know where they are at:
carusoam Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 Chris, Looks like a yellow fever outbreak... Best regards, -a-
flyboy0681 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 Whatever I say, you'll have some rhetoric and defend your do nothing establishment rooted in DC. You know we should do what can be done ... But you just can't admit your boy isn't doing anything ... Actually, I think they already bungled it.
flyboy0681 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Posted October 15, 2014 All air travel out of West Africa should have been banned weeks ago...Travel in. Fine. Out, NOPE. If you go there and contract you are NOT coming back to USA for treatment. Military or otherwise. Treat there. Bring experts there. No entry, period until 21 days without a new case. Period. Airline stock? Sell Travel bans like this have made matters worse in the past. Several things happen in cases like this. First, the country being banned will downplay the numbers of the epidemic to make it sound like it's waning, when in actuality it may be increasing. Second, a total travel ban will restrict much needed supplies from reaching those that need it. You can't have "travel in" without "travel out", that makes it a one way trip and what crew is going to take that assignment? I'm in favor of revoking all visas's into the US from African nationals.
alex Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Only a moron would say that isolation is NOT and effective way to deal with an impending crisis like this, sorry! If my child has a fever he is sent home and not allowed back the next day and that's just for a common cold/flu. Why not just let him stay in school? According to the CDC genius, a travel ban would make things exponentially worse.... exactly how? Maybe media matters might tell me. If they downplay the numbers they are far enough where I don't have to worry, the needed supplies can be dropped from a moving airplane, isn't that how food is delivered to in some remote areas? There, problem solved...copy, paste and send to CDC, You're welcome!
Guest Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Leper Colonies were traditional means of quarantining the ill in the past. Clarence
flyboy0681 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Any epidemiologists here? Just a few articles stating how bans don't work, the first from right-leaning Forbes Magazine. The first cites interesting computer models of how a ban would slow the spread initially but it would eventually spread. The second article cites how previous travel bans didn't work from spreading communicable diseases. Anyone remember the dreaded bird flu, which was to be the next big thing? http://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2014/10/13/ebola-travel/ http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-06/fighting-ebola-an-african-travel-ban-is-bad-for-the-u-dot-s-dot-too http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141007-ebola-travel-ban-restrictions-health-world/ I'm looking at the situation from both sides of the fence, weighing both arguments based on information I'm presented with . Others shoot from the hip and think the one and only way to stop it is a complete travel ban. But as history tells us, that doesn't work.
DaV8or Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 I'm still waiting on somebody to explain to me how you ban all travel from West Africa to this country without banning all travel from everywhere and by every means. The guy who actually made it here with Ebola and died, came from Belgium. Basically, if you're in West Africa and you have money, you can make it to America if you really want to no matter what. The best solution is provide world class treatment and quarantine over there and greatly reduce the incentive to travel here with the disease. I believe we are working on that.
flyboy0681 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Leper Colonies were traditional means of quarantining the ill in the past. Clarence What you didn't mention was that "leper" colonies were the result of ignorance and little knowledge about the disease and how it spread, which, by the way, was very difficult and rare. But without knowledge, societies thought the best way to prevent its spread was to isolate its victims from the general population.
flyboy0681 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 I'm still waiting on somebody to explain to me how you ban all travel from West Africa to this country without banning all travel from everywhere and by every means. The guy who actually made it here with Ebola and died, came from Belgium. Basically, if you're in West Africa and you have money, you can make it to America if you really want to no matter what. The best solution is provide world class treatment and quarantine over there and greatly reduce the incentive to travel here with the disease. I believe we are working on that. A thoughtful response to the subject, and pretty much my view on the situation.
rob Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Let's keep in mind that there have been three people in the U.S. to be diagnosed with Ebola; not counting persons diagnosed and then brought here. Of the three, one died. There are still 300+ million of us without Ebola. And tens of thousands died today from other health concerns. Perspective is important. 1
rob Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 The only perspective in your entire statement is the 14 beds (if it's even true). Again, there are two living Ebola cases in the US. So 14 beds seems sufficient. I suppose that's subject to change on both fronts; don't you? The rest is your opinion/conjecture. I know you know the difference. Remember the bird flu? Anthrax? How about the last time Ebola showed up? Do we just have dumb luck with these things? So far there have been more cases of Polio in the U.S. this year than Ebola... Nothing turns a bunch of smoking, out of shape, diet soft drink drinking, fast food eating slobs into contagious disease experts faster than some Ebola histeria. 2
John Pleisse Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 What do you propose? Well, I for one, propose we examine the absurdity of why we now have a flight ban for Americans potentially exposed, but we do not have a flight ban for airliners full of West Africans arriving daily. 1
John Pleisse Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Let's keep in mind that there have been three people in the U.S. to be diagnosed with Ebola; not counting persons diagnosed and then brought here. Of the three, one died. There are still 300+ million of us without Ebola. And tens of thousands died today from other health concerns. Perspective is important. Good point and yet it has exposed a folly of public policy incompetence, so staggering, it simply can't be put into words. Let us also keep in mind, we have averted this particular type of hemorrhagic fever for 40 years. Now it is here and from an historical perspective, we did virtually nothing to stop it.
John Pleisse Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 I believe they are on an extended vacation until after the elections. Mike, if you are ever in the DC area and need a ride.....I'll be glad to pick you up.
carusoam Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 John, the general public has no idea what your plate means. What questions have you been asked? Best regards, -a-
flyboy0681 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Well, I for one, propose we examine the absurdity of why we now have a flight ban for Americans potentially exposed, but we do not have a flight ban for airliners full of West Africans arriving daily. I don't believe there are any direct flights from any of the affected western African countries. I think to get here from there one needs to travel through a European gateway, just as Duncan did.
flyboy0681 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Posted October 16, 2014 Hey Rob, are you stalking me? Histerical, Hystarical, Historical, histaria. Hysteria derivitives...? You "hate" the thread...Go play with all your friends on another thread. Bye Bye. Let us see...HMMMMmmm Ebola in the past: Villages in Africa with trails to them. Tough to contain? Not really. Ebola 2014: Outbreak in multiple cities with thousands of inhabitants. Tough to contain? You betcha. How tough? So tough we send the 101st Airborne to control the outbreak... Ebola in the USA: One dead. Two diagnosed as having disease after following their protocols. One flies on an airline with hundreds of people. Airplane completes multiple ADDITONAL flights... CDC "Trying to contact those on the flight" You #$%&ers that defend this comedy show are part of the problem, not the "cure". Oh yea, there is NO cure. (For liberals AND Ebola) Anybody have a surplus flame thrower they aren't using? But wait, this just in CDC upset about having their funding cut..."Hell, we could have found a cure if we hadn't had our funding cut"..."At least we still got the bike paths done"... NOPE. I am going to believe what the healthcare experts say about the transferability of the virus instead of fear mongers and citizens that don't have a medical or biology degree. According to them, casual contact does not result in infection, and hasn't in the case of Duncan's family. To date, nobody that he had come in direct contact with him has been diagnosed and to me that speaks volumes. That doesn't mean that I would want to sit next to the nurse on the Frontier flight, but unless she popped a zit while at her seat and the passenger next to her wiped her hand through it and then went on to rub her eyes, I don't see any danger. However, if the virus mutates to the point where it could spread through the air, then we are all goners. Additionally, it appears to me that for those who are infected, a viable treatment is available. It's no coincidence that Dr. Brantly and volunteer Nancy Writebol survived their bouts, and as of today Nina Pham is doing well as is NBC journalist Ashkoa Mukpo, all of whom received or are receiving the best care available. I suspect Amber Vinson will get through it as well. If all three leave the hospital alive, it appears that American's have a 100% survival rate when treated here. Yes Scott, Atlanta - the same place where two infected people walked in on deaths door and walked out two weeks later under their own power after seemingly been saved by the staff at Emory University Hospital. Since they already took in two cases which did NOT result in additional infections, they must have better systems in place than that "other" place (even the infections are big in Texas?). Scott, it's certainly your prerogative to not believe anything the scientific community has to say, but I think that would be foolish. And making up your own facts doesn't help either (how many "are" infected from the Frontier flight?). If we were to listen to you and your methods, it would set us back 125 years.
flyboy0681 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 TIK TOK Scott from 1974 Smallpox outbreak - Tic Toc Scott from 1981 AIDS crisis - Tic Toc Scott from 1993 Ebola outbreak - Tic Toc Scott from 2003 SARS epidemic - Tic Toc Scott from 2005 Dengue Fever outbreak - Tic Toc Scott from 2006 Bird Flu epidemic - Tic Toc Scott from 2009 Swine Flu epidemic - Tic Toc
rob Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 You're a sad sad man; have you always had trouble with your temper or is this somethibg that's recently started? 1
aviatoreb Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 Oh liberals...so funny Ha Ha. I spit on your comparison. Better yet, find my gross over reaction to any of these and I will join your party of pathetic prostitution for the party of idiot idealists that have not a clue. Oh, good, thank you for the rsvp. The party is at 6pm. Please bring a salad. 1
aviatoreb Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 This has been quite a thread. Almost everyone left. I have checked in occasionally just to gawk. Some points I agreed with, some I did not. Mostly the discourse appears as a train wreck. If this is what folks like to do with fellow aviators, then all power. I guess politics is fair game in hangar talk and this is the virtual hangar. There is definitely a lot of heart felt and deep anger I see here, sincerely felt, and whether I agree with the reason for it or not, it is clear to me that this statement at least is a fact. I am glad people feel comfortable to express and it is not a bother to me as it is all in this thread which is obvious to all from the start her for this purpose. Now for my view. My view of Fox news is reflected perfectly by this article. To me it is irrelevant what a persons politics are regarding the fox fear mongering. I always remember that fox is not on a mission to spread news. They are selling a product and they have found their niche. Their niche is to brain wash angry misguided old geezers. http://www.salon.com...shing_hysteria/ To the angry: right or wrong, even if you are right in your opinion, if there is the constant shout down and name calling, everyone learns to ignore and the shouting kicking and screaming and one way dialogue/diatribe become completely ineffective in changing any opinions as we learn to simply ignore the tantrum. At that point even if you say something brilliant, no one hears it because our fingers are in our ears. Meanwhile I am standing by waiting for ebola sneezing isis terrorists to sweep in from the Mexican border. Or who knows, maybe the Canadian border. Never mind science. Scientists are full of crap. What do they know. Global warming is a joke put forward by liberals who want to convince me that affordable healthcare is un-american. The CDC is government, so that is bad. But wait now, I want the government and the cdc to make some rules to stop anyone from coming to America to sneeze on me. And they need to have some laws to stop them god'am gay marriages and abortions. But besides that, I want a government that stays out of my way. God and the constitution gave me the right to carry an M16 to school and I'm gonna shoot any terrorist who stands in my way. If you disagree with me you are a terrorist because my opinion is law. Cuz the constitution says I have the right to say that. And shoot you too. I gotta go, the commercials just ended and Fox is back on. Its the word - for independent thinkers like me.
aviatoreb Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 ..on to rub her eyes, I don't see any danger. However, if the virus mutates to the point where it could spread through the air, then we are all goners. We sure would be goners. Now I am not a disease specialist by any means. So take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that diseases that are borne by bodily fluids like ebola are extremely unlikely to have airborne vectors since it cannot happen by just one simple mutation. Many different mutations and intermediate benefits to the disease would have to happen to allow such a transformation. I have read and heard that from multiple sources and it makes sense to me.
John Pleisse Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 John, the general public has no idea what your plate means. What questions have you been asked? Best regards, -a- None.....the bumpersticker Anthony. 1
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