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I'm with you on an open definition of ranges in areas where shooting can be done safely. I live in the Canadian North - 99.9% of the land qualifies as a legal range. But most of you aren't so lucky. Try popping some cans down by Lake Manawa lately?

 

It's not just accidental gun deaths that training and storage solves - it also reduces domestic violence to a considerable degree.

 

If you have to go to down to the gun safe, take off the trigger locks, unlock the ammo can, load up and then come back to the argument in progress with your significant other, it gives you a little time to think. Not a complete solution, but better than simply reaching for whatever you're packing.

 

Actually, I have, to answer your question ;-) The river is not in the city limits and we've been known to bring clay thrower on the boat ;-) Buddy owns some land by the river too. Many a beer have drunk there and many a .45 round has been popped. God Bless the USA.

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let's talk about mandatory capital punishment for mass murder

 

Not very Catholic of you. Anyways, the solutions you're proposing are just more laws, won't solve anything. Our prisons are already packed. Like I said before, legalize drugs and actually eliminate severe prison sentences and the scarlet letter of felony for life and you'll eliminate a ton of gun violence. Less is more.

 

Automatic capital punishment for mentally ill people solves jack shit.

 

What illegal gun importation? Into US of A? Funny.

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In your ideal country, what do you do with http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz

The bad guys were armed with sharpened screw drivers.

The scene was an NYC subway.

The time was early 80s.

Let's start with flyboy...

I don't think the gentleman in question was Catholic, if that matters...

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Not very Catholic of you. Anyways, the solutions you're proposing are just more laws, won't solve anything. Our prisons are already packed. Like I said before, legalize drugs and actually eliminate severe prison sentences and the scarlet letter of felony for life and you'll eliminate a ton of gun violence. Less is more.

 

Automatic capital punishment for mentally ill people solves jack shit.

 

What illegal gun importation? Into US of A? Funny.

 

I think "mass" murder is beyond any spiritual levity that should be afforded to a human being. Remember, it is an eye for and eye..... not an eye for 23 eyes. My humble sin.

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I think "mass" murder is beyond any spiritual levity that should be afforded to a human being. Remember, it is an eye for and eye..... not an eye for 23 eyes. My humble sin.

 

You can do better, John. We have the capacity to keep them medicated and locked up forever, if truly insane…Executing someone like that makes us animals no different than the jackasses from the middle east…It deters no one, at least not the insane and they will get to be in front of the Lord soon enough.

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....let's talk about major urban centers, let's talk about criminality, let's talk about ethnic on ethnic gun violence, let's talk about gangs, let's talk about illegal gun importation, let's talk about liberal cities and municipalities that won't allow citizens conceal carry permits, but indeed will make special exceptions for former asshole cops and political elite, let's talk about interstate purchase, let's talk about providing more protection for our children with armed guards (after all, we have guns to protect armored cars), let's talk about mandatory felony legislation for for gun use in the commission of a crime, let's talk about mandatory capital punishment for mass murder, let's talk about state funded gun education in public schools, let's talk about reform of our lobbying process........and? How about background checks for psychotic neighbors. Any idea's?

 

I would find this more interesting than a weekend gun course at the Izaak Walton League.

 

Alright - let's do that. And let's do it with some seriousness. I'm all about a serious crackdown on unlawful gun possession and use, but especially in the commission of a crime. I'm also about protecting neighbourhoods, streets and workplaces from gun violence. There's whole range of things that can be done to address that, but let's first dispense with the one argument that seems to be top of mind for most good people who want to carry: the belief that "they can make a difference."

 

I call bullshit on that argument in all its forms. For Joe Citizen, defensive carry is a cowboy myth. Most of us shoot like shit under stress. It takes ongoing practice and thousands of rounds/year to build combat-effective handgun skills, and most civilians just don't have the time to do it right. Take me for example, I'm an IPSC (USPSA) "B" classified handgun shooter - which means that I can get my hits 60-75% of the time in match conditions. This means while running a course on the clock, shooting on the move at paper or steel targets (often around obstacles or under cover). Points are for speed and accuracy, and the courses of fire typically require multiple magazine changes. With training and practice I've developed better-than-average civilian gun-owner skills. But I have no illusions of being able to do anywhere as well while under fire or at live targets. That's a whole different set of skills as anyone who's done it for real will tell you.

 

Just as one illustration of my point, TTAG simulated the Charie Hedbo attack with results familiar to anyone familiar with firearms or tactics. Attackers, choosing the time and place of their attack, easily overpowered armed civilian defenders. Joe Citizen, armed or not, ends up just as dead when surprised and under stress.

 

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Alright - let's do that. And let's do it with some seriousness. I'm all about a serious crackdown on unlawful gun possession and use, but especially in the commission of a crime. I'm also about protecting neighbourhoods, streets and workplaces from gun violence. There's whole range of things that can be done to address that, but let's first dispense with the one argument that seems to be top of mind for most good people who want to carry: the belief that "they can make a difference."

 

I call bullshit on that argument in all its forms. For Joe Citizen, defensive carry is a cowboy myth. Most of us shoot like shit under stress. It takes ongoing practice and thousands of rounds/year to build combat-effective handgun skills, and most civilians just don't have the time to do it right. Take me for example, I'm an IPSC (USPSA) "B" classified handgun shooter - which means that I can get my hits 60-75% of the time in match conditions. This means while running a course on the clock, shooting on the move at paper or steel targets (often around obstacles or under cover). Points are for speed and accuracy, and the courses of fire typically require multiple magazine changes. With training and practice I've developed better-than-average civilian gun-owner skills. But I have no illusions of being able to do anywhere as well while under fire or at live targets. That's a whole different set of skills as anyone who's done it for real will tell you.

 

Just as one illustration of my point, TTAG simulated the Charie Hedbo attack with results familiar to anyone familiar with firearms or tactics. Attackers, choosing the time and place of their attack, easily overpowered armed civilian defenders. Joe Citizen, armed or not, ends up just as dead when surprised and under stress.

 

Not even remotely realistic. I understand nobody in the first room making it out alive, if I hear shots outside of my office, I'm ducking behind my desk, dropping on the ground out of sight and shooting from below the desk where I'm not instantly visible, hence gaining my element of surprise. Once they fire the first set of shots, they lost their element of surprise. Why are the supposedly trained defender shooters still standing behind walls instead of being on the ground with pistols pointing at the entry way presenting minimum target opportunity and regaining an element of surprise. You don't stand a chance running against a rifle.

 

Another point about the video making it rather unconvincing about your argument is that fact that the terrorists seem to have unlimited lives. One died in the first room and after being fired upon, the surviving one is most likely not in the clearest state of mind either.

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It isn't the accuracy of a handgun shot...we all know how hard it is to hit a target beyond 10 meters. If a "Canadian" (family racial code word here in the states for a non indigenous ethnic minority) entered my home and I put two in the sheet rock within even ten feet of him, I'd hedge my bets he will run and not return fire....and even so, as the video proves, the intruder won't be that good of a shot. I am getting one of these next paycheck...your thoughts? 

 

http://www.thehomesecuritysuperstore.com/gun-safe-microvault-gvtmv500std-gmc-p=3795?gclid=CKGykvDx58MCFQ0bgQodARIAXw

 

Kid proof, deployed in 12 sec's.

 

Again, we seem to still be on the Yellow Brick Road........no policy, just good ideas for responsible owners still.

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Not even remotely realistic. I understand nobody in the first room making it out alive, if I hear shots outside of my office, I'm ducking behind my desk, dropping on the ground of sight and shooting from below the desk where I'm not instantly visible, hence gaining my element of surprise. Once they fire the first set of shots, they lost their element of surprise. Why are the supposedly trained defender shooters still standing behind walls instead of being on the ground with pistols pointing at the entry way presenting minimum target opportunity and regaining an element of surprise.

 

 

Cue the Ennio Morricone score! Sure, we all think that's what we'd do. Some of us might even do it. But most of us don't get beyond being surprised in that kind of a situation. Back to our Aussie comic and his skit - "hold on now with the murdering while I get my gun..."

 

Note that this simulation was done with trained attackers and civilian volunteers. The defenders weren't trained, beyond a basic understanding of how to operate a gun. That's pretty realistic for a Joe Civilian situation. If you have Navy SEALs in the office, your results may vary.

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You can do better, John. We have the capacity to keep them medicated and locked up forever, if truly insane…Executing someone like that makes us animals no different than the jackasses from the middle east…It deters no one, at least not the insane and they will get to be in front of the Lord soon enough.

 

Oh...absolutely... mentally ill...I am on board. Problem is, most of these mass murderers do themselves in and NGBRI is earned in due process. So, sadly, we only have CNN's word for it....a loose history and a little her se. I say, up the standard of proof in NGBRI with regard to mass capital murder cases. The bar needs to be elevated. More have killed themselves than have have survived, so there is no yardstick, again, other than the media's interpretation.

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I think we covered them all this evening...

(1) Religion, check.

(2) Money, check.

(3) Politics, check.

(4) Race, check.

(5) Sex, hmmm?

I enjoy the attacks on the person who makes the most sense...

But calling my Ovation brother a Canadian.

Absurd...

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I think we covered them all this evening...

(1) Religion, check.

(2) Money, check.

(3) Politics, check.

(4) Race, check.

(5) Sex, hmmm?

I enjoy the attacks on the person who makes the most sense...

But calling my Ovation brother a Canadian.

Absurd...

I think we did cover 5, wasn't there mention of a Muslim wearing the condom provided by the Christian? I need a way to book mark this thread.

Clarence

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Cue the Ennio Morricone score! Sure, we all think that's what we'd do. Some of us might even do it. But most of us don't get beyond being surprised in that kind of a situation. Back to our Aussie comic and his skit - "hold on now with the murdering while I get my gun..."

 

Note that this simulation was done with trained attackers and civilian volunteers. The defenders weren't trained, beyond a basic understanding of how to operate a gun. That's pretty realistic for a Joe Civilian situation. If you have Navy SEALs in the office, your results may vary.

 

I think you're underestimating how many Americans have been exposed to and shot at in the past ;-) We've got that on you, Canadians. In college, you could set your watch by the sounds of gunfire by our frat house. Usually started around 10pm. Nobody ever did as much as blink ;-) Granted, we all too drunk and/or high to care. We were right on the edge of an "ethic neighborhood". The little convince store two blocks away got robbed on fairly regular schedule. None of us ever feared for our lives. Nobody had a gun, thank God.

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WHAT THE ^%$* HAVE I SAID THAT DESERVED THIS RESPONSE? LOOK AT MY LAST POSTS. WHAT?

 

Nothing you said. The response was to John, not you, sorry. You asked, I answered.

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It isn't the accuracy of a handgun shot...we all know how hard it is to hit a target beyond 10 meters. If a "Canadian" (family racial code word here in the states for a non indigenous ethnic minority) entered my home and I put two in the sheet rock within even ten feet of him, I'd hedge my bets he will run and not return fire....

 

That'd be a losing bet. Canadians don't run. We are trained to stand in front of speeding pucks from an early age. But he would apologize for your bad aim...

 

And just a point on 12 seconds - on the range, I'm well into my second magazine by that time. I expect that your Canadian would be too. Most home defense scenarios don't make sense unless you are packing at all times. But just make sure that its a burglar, not your girlfriend, when you open up on the "noise in the bathroom".

 

The real solutions start on streets. How do you make them safer? To answer that, you need to define the problem(s) that are making them unsafe. First things first - if it's gangs, you need anti-gang strategies, which might include special police units and more stringent laws to take them out of circulation. On drugs, I'm with Andy. But if its gun violence, isn't the solution fewer guns on the streets, not more guns in everyone's hands? Make possession of an unlawfully carried firearm a go-to-jail offense. Enforce the heck out of it.

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Cue the Ennio Morricone score! Sure, we all think that's what we'd do. Some of us might even do it. But most of us don't get beyond being surprised in that kind of a situation. Back to our Aussie comic and his skit - "hold on now with the murdering while I get my gun..."

 

Note that this simulation was done with trained attackers and civilian volunteers. The defenders weren't trained, beyond a basic understanding of how to operate a gun. That's pretty realistic for a Joe Civilian situation. If you have Navy SEALs in the office, your results may vary.

 

I'm sitting on the first floor of my house, I'm pretty sure there are at least 4 loaded firearms somewhere on this floor. I might even remember where two are off the top of my head. I wish I was joking…There are no kids in this house, ever. 

 

And I'm not even worried about "Canadians". I live surrounded by a white ghetto, CB is a shit hole. I like it. We're more into stabbings around here.

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I have zero respect for anyone telling me what guns I may own. I have negative zero respect for a Canadian telling me when and where and what firearm I should be able to purchase, own and carry.

Yes, Negative zero.

So pontificate away. I am not buying any of what you are selling.

I secure my fireams in an anchored safe. Ammunition secured in a separate safe. I carry when and where I choose to carry. i don't carry to protect others.

Don't Tread On Me.

 

You established that a long time ago. Which is why I'll continue to pontificate without even an apology in your direction. Oh - and if you unlawfully carry in Canada, we'll give you 5-10 years in the fed, just for starters.

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 Make possession of an unlawfully carried firearm a go-to-jail offense. Enforce the heck out of it.

 

White people would not like that. That's why we had to pass the concealed carry laws. It used to be, if you were white, you'd just get a pass from your local friendly officer, at least here in the midwest, but then them liberals made us enforce laws equally and white folks lost their shiat.

 

Nebraska was actually like that, codified into law: affirmative defense. Being white always worked.

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I have zero respect for anyone telling me what guns I may own. I have negative zero respect for a Canadian telling me when and where and what firearm I should be able to purchase, own and carry.

Yes, Negative zero.

So pontificate away. I am not buying any of what you are selling.

I secure my fireams in an anchored safe. Ammunition secured in a separate safe. I carry when and where I choose to carry. i don't carry to protect others.

Don't Tread On Me.

Weren't you instructing him a few pages back about how bad Canadian healthcare sucked?

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Weren't you instructing him a few pages back about how bad Canadian healthcare sucked?

 

Canadian healthcare is a 1969 model that is starting to weigh it's society.....we've been through this. Hop on a bus in Niagara Falls and go buy some Nexium.

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