NASA Astronauts Access Denied?

[Piloto]

These Russia sanctions by the US and other countries can easily jeopardize US access to the International Space station and access to Russian airspace over the Artic routes. Not to mention business and scientific relations between the two countries. 

 

There is no need for them. If the Crimean prefer Vodka over Whiskey let it be. Unlike the Syrian conflict were millions has left the country and thousands has been killed this is not the case in Crimea. Past history has shown that sanctions just don't work, check with Castro on this.

 

No need to waste money and blood like it happened in Vietnam and Korea and end up not gaining anything. This conflict is similar to the American-Mexico war were the US aquired Texas. But this time we are no dealing with Tequila but with Vodka.

 

I have worked in Zhukovsky (near Moscow) with the Russians and know they are very nice good people. Lets not jeorpadize the relations achieved after Perestroika. Everybody stand to loose with these sanctions. My simple and common sense question what is the net profit on these sanctions? 

 

José   

[Hector]

Well I'm certainly not advocating that we go to war over Crimea, but simply doing nothing is an invitation for Putin to grab more land in his dream to reconstitute the old USSR. The hopes we had over a more democratic Russia are simply gone. The old guard was simply replaced by an oligarchy intent on holding absolute power and wealth and they still hate us as much as they ever did.

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[scottfromiowa]

These Russia sanctions by the US and other countries can easily jeopardize US access to the International Space station and access to Russian airspace over the Artic routes. Not to mention business and scientific relations between the two countries. 

 

There is no need for them. If the Crimean prefer Vodka over Whiskey let it be. Unlike the Syrian conflict were millions has left the country and thousands has been killed this is not the case in Crimea. Past history has shown that sanctions just don't work, check with Castro on this.

 

No need to waste money and blood like it happened in Vietnam and Korea and end up not gaining anything. This conflict is similar to the American-Mexico war were the US aquired Texas. But this time we are no dealing with Tequila but with Vodka.

 

I have worked in Zhukovsky (near Moscow) with the Russians and know they are very nice good people. Lets not jeorpadize the relations achieved after Perestroika. Everybody stand to loose with these sanctions. My simple and common sense question what is the net profit on these sanctions? 

 

José

NOPE! US made a commitment (Bill Clinton) to provide support to Ukraine. The space station is the least of my concerns when it comes to a country taking territory from another country. Lets build a pipeline sell some petroleum product s to the EU make some money, create some jobs and bring mother Russia to her knees.

[scottfromiowa]

Is this action not what resulted in the Civil War?

[scottfromiowa]

US AND EU SIGNED AN AGREEMENT...THESE ACTIONS BY RUSSIA HAVE RAMIFICATIONS AND WILL NOT STAND.

[scottfromiowa]

O.K. PILOTO TAKE THE POLITICS BACK OUT OF MOONEYSPACE...DON'T BRING THAT TRASH IN THE HOUSE.

[scottfromiowa]

NO, NOT SIMILAR TO VIETNAM. SIMILAR TO CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS.

[bonal]

Well put Hector, sadly we have allowed Washington to throw away all the sacrifices that were made by this county I think there is no respect and sadly no fear of consequences by the rest of the world and our historic allies don't feel they can count on the US to stop aggressive moves by Putin and others. When the last space shuttle landed I was very sad and angered man we used to fly to the moon hell we even brought an RV up there so we could go driving on the moon. By way of example as a Californian it took 20 years to build a replacement to 1/2 of the bay bridge. It took only 4 years to build the original and they built the golden gate at the same time.

Our freedoms and the American way are done.

Man now I'm depressed. Better get in my Mooney and fly while I still can.

[scottfromiowa]

Buck up Bonai. The fat lady is not singing yet.

[Piloto]

NOPE! US made a commitment (Bill Clinton) to provide support to Ukraine. The space station is the least of my concerns when it comes to a country taking territory from another country. Lets build a pipeline sell some petroleum product s to the EU make some money, create some jobs and bring mother Russia to her knees.

What kind of support the US can provide the Ukraine when it is 5000nm away in the middle of Russia? After all after more than 50 years the cuban comunist revolution still active and this is only 100nm away in the middle of the ocean. Cubans prefer rum over whiskey and cigarros over electronic cigarettes. I prefer US dollars, send me some support to pay my bills. After all I am a US taxpayer Ukranians are not.

 

José. 

[Hector]

What kind of support the US can provide the Ukraine when it is 5000nm away in the middle of Russia? After all after more than 50 years the cuban comunist revolution still active and this is only 100nm away in the middle of the ocean. Cubans prefer rum over whiskey and cigarros over electronic cigarettes. I prefer US dollars, send me some support to pay my bills. After all I am a US taxpayer Ukranians are not.

José.

Boy I hope you are not saying the Cuban people think their revolution turned out well. The Cuban revolution has lasted only because it is an island and the government has all the guns and there are no means by which the people can fight back. just like in Russia the government exercises brutal control, the slightest dissent will land you and your family dead or in jail for 20 years.

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[Piloto]

Boy I hope you are not saying the Cuban people think their revolution turned out well. The Cuban revolution has lasted only because it is an island and the government has all the guns and there are no means by which the people can fight back. just like in Russia the government exercises brutal control, the slightest dissent will land you and your family dead or in jail for 20 years.

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I think you need to look back at cuban history. 

 

Does that did oppose Castro in the 60s arrived in Miami by airline because they could buy the ticket. This left the island with the poor ones. But Castro was kind enough to provide inner tubes to those with no money that wanted to leave the island. But then the US changed the rules to accept only those cubans with dry foot only. So Castro kindly started giving out rubber boots in addition to the inner tubes. So when the cubans arrive on the beach they take their boots off and tell the border patrol "mira pie seco" "I want my welfare card".

 

Castro's opposition is not in Cuba but in Miami "fighting" for a change in Cuba. Thanks to the US Castro's revolution has succeded for over 50 years.   

 

José 

[Danb]

Piloto..please is this not a flying entertainment club...let the idiots who govern us screw things up...let us fly..

[PTK]

The problem as I see it is that we simply lack leadership in our foreign policy. This is because our leaders lack basic education in history.

I suggest John Kerry, President Obama, and all the rest read and analyze Putin's speech and learn why they took this action.

We are no different. We would do exactly the same thing.

Are we prepared to go to war with Russia over some fascist thugs in Ukraine or anywhere else? No one elected them. The Ukrainian people didn't vote for them! These thugs should count their blessings Putin didn't annex the rest of it. He could've easily. He simply doesn't want it.

The Crimean people voted and they want to be with Russia. We must accept democracy, not just preach it!

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/putin-justifies-russian-annexation-of-ukraines-crimea-339815.html

[Piloto]

Government is like a business (tax income - gov.expenses > 0). If you are going to have someone handling the government business it should at least had experience managing a lemonade stand. Someone with proven experience achieving profits not debts.

 

Here is an example of how democratic elections works:

 

Country population: Poor people, religious with little economic means 

 

Candidate #1: Popular priest living on donations for his church. Very strong to his faith

 

Candidate #2; Donald Trump living on the old fashion way of making money. You do not spend more than what you earn. Some call him a blonde crook.

 

Elections results: Candidate #1 80%, candidate #2 20%

 

Now the country has more power to beg the UN for more money.

 

In a democratic regime those elected reflect the majority of the population profile not the most qualified to handle the economics of a country. We should have realized this by now.

 

 

José  

[Hector]

I think you need to look back at cuban history.

Does that did oppose Castro in the 60s arrived in Miami by airline because they could buy the ticket. This left the island with the poor ones. But Castro was kind enough to provide inner tubes to those with no money that wanted to leave the island. But then the US changed the rules to accept only those cubans with dry foot only. So Castro kindly started giving out rubber boots in addition to the inner tubes. So when the cubans arrive on the beach they take their boots off and tell the border patrol "mira pie seco" "I want my welfare card".

Castro's opposition is not in Cuba but in Miami "fighting" for a change in Cuba. Thanks to the US Castro's revolution has succeded for over 50 years.

José

Needless to say, I don't share your view at all. In the 50 years that communism took hold of Cuba it has gone from the pearl of the Caribbean to the shit hole it currently is. Probably the reason untold numbers die every year trying to reach freedom in south Florida. If the Cuban people had a choice, they would absolutely choose change, and change will come some day but not by being nice to the murderous regime currently in place.

[scottfromiowa]

You LOST ME at "A government is like a business".

NOPE

[Piloto]

Needless to say, I don't share your view at all. In the 50 years that communism took hold of Cuba it has gone from the pearl of the Caribbean to the shit hole it currently is. Probably the reason untold numbers die every year trying to reach freedom in south Florida. If the Cuban people had a choice, they would absolutely choose change, and change will come some day but not by being nice to the murderous regime currently in place.

Well if you want a better life for the cubans in cuba start by lifting the sanctions and promoting tourism and business with Cuba. Obviously the sanctions has not worked. If the sanctions were lifted could you imagine going on weekends in your Mooney to Havana for the weekend. I don't think anyone in Cuba will oppose lifting the sanctions.

 

José 

[scottfromiowa]

NOPE. We took our bat and ball and went home. I lose zero sleep over Cuba. Imagine if Cuba was a democracy and a trading partner with the US...We meddled there once. I prefer the no trade until YOU change. You say "sanctions haven't worked"? For whom? Why would the US lift them? Who needs who? If they want change in diplomatic/trade status change.

Your view is twisted...they win if they change...yet they don't. What me worry?

You say "Well if you want a better life for the Cubans in Cuba"...How about the Cubans wanting a better life for themselves? How about the government wanting a better life for their people?...They can just enjoy their cigars and Canadians...

[Piloto]

NOPE. We took our bat and ball and went home. I lose zero sleep over Cuba. Imagine if Cuba was a democracy and a trading partner with the US...We meddled there once. I prefer the no trade until YOU change. You say "sanctions haven't worked"? For whom? Why would the US lift them? Who needs who? If they want change in diplomatic/trade status change.

Your view is twisted...they win if they change...yet they don't. What me worry?

You say "Well if you want a better life for the Cubans in Cuba"...How about the Cubans wanting a better life for themselves? How about the government wanting a better life for their people?...They can just enjoy their cigars and Canadians...

Well it looks like you and the US are concerned about the Cuban regime. But notice that the rest of the world has no sanctions against Cuba. But maybe me and the rest of the world has a twisted view of Cuba. Have you ever wonder why is the US the only country in the world with sanctions against Cuba. Let me know your answer.   

 

José

[Hector]

Unfortunately the government in Cuba is not interested in a better life for the Cuban people. Their only interest is maintaining power and absolute control at the expense of everything and everyone. Lifting the sanctions would only enrich the bastards in power and give them the financial means to perpetuate the regime. I have no doubt the Cuban people might see some improvement in living conditions as American money flows in, but they will see no improvement at all in liberty and freedom and in fact it may get worse. I would love to fly my Mooney there some day. Would love to take my Mom to visit family she has not seen in 40 years. But the bitterness runs deep, specially when some in the family have been murdered for expressing their disdain for communism.

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[scottfromiowa]

Bay of Pigs and a little deal with Russia to place nukes in our backyard. The USA has a long memory.

[bonal]

The sanctions have been left in place as a legacy to JFK heaven forbid they ever reverse a Kennedy policy. At least he knew enough to lower taxes to spur the economy.

[Piloto]

The sanctions against Cuba are more oriented as a revenge to Castro's regime and his party than to Cuba's general population. Motivated by those in exile in the US. This is why the US is the only country with sanctions against Cuba.

 

But if the US was going to have sanctions against countries with no democracy what about Saudi Arabia. After all Saudia Arabia ia a 100% monarchy where the king and his family rules the country.

 

But if the reason for sanctions is because the government keep their citizens in substandard living conditions what about Haiti, and countries in Africa.

 

Foreigns relations is a complicated world where good relations take time to achieve and quick bad decisions can have unexpected long time reprecautions. Lets not jeopardize the good relations we have with Russia for an event that is on their backyard not ours. Lets stop sniffing in others backyards to end up dropping a smelly one and care about ours. There is enough weeds in ours that need to be taken care.

 

José     

[scottfromiowa]

Paragraph 1-So?

2-We get oil from them, i.e. we have a business relationship with them.

3- We don't get oil from them, i.e. we have no business economic relationship with them.

4-Yes, they are. Yes they do. Your judgement, I disagree. We do NOT have "good" relations with Russia. We made a commitment to the Ukraine. Are we going to stand by our commitments? I hope so. Can I have a list of our shit (domestic and foreign)? Curious to hear your perspective on how the USA has failed and meddled...O.K., not really.