Malaysian Flight Hijacked?

[flyboy0681]

" Our crack Attorney General and the Supreme Court will be all over this.

 

 Although the Supremes will still be there, the current regime will be long gone by the time this case gets in front of a jury.

[Marauder]

I'm just hoping I haven't just earned myself another "MooneySpace vacation."

:-)

You been on vacation? Where'd you go? Some place nice I hope

[Piloto]

You should know that in the American courtroom facts take second seat to the persuasive skills of the attorney. Time and time again we have seen (and became incensed) companies found to be liable when there wasn't one shred of evidence. In the end it was the persuasiveness of the legal team which won over the jury. Add to the mix junk science.

You are very right on the above. And they are pretty smart on choosing a jury that simpatize with the relatives. How they are going to find fair jury? Most likely this will settle out of court but at hefty cost for Boeing and Malaysia Airlines.

 

And BTW two of the relatives are with the Al-Qaeda group, so they will be compensated for their hijack expenses. 

 

I just found that I was the abandoned child of the catholic priest in MH370. I may get a brand new $700,000 

M20TN but my wife says will be better off with something that have at least 4 bathroom toilets. Women, they don't appreciate the value of the p-bottle. 

 

José 

[Guest]

I just returned from Sun n Fun. I am pleased to report that I spotted MH370, or at least parts of it. It appears that the terrorists are driving it to New York for the attack.

Clarence

[Piloto]

I just returned from Sun n Fun. I am pleased to report that I spotted MH370, or at least parts of it. It appears that the terrorists are driving it to New York for the attack.

Clarence

 

Did you find the black boxes there too?

 

José

[Guest]

No black boxes that I could find, several orange ones though.

Clarence

[Yetti]

I am going with the theory that it has something to do with Austin Tx tech company making bits and pieces to put in Cisco routers so the NSA can capture data as it flows across the internet.    They said that they were going public.   The NSA put a radio transmitter that retransmits GPS and VOR signals and prerecorded transmissions of other flights on the VHF.   The GPS signals said they were going to the correct place, The VOR said they were going to right place.... but really the autopilot had them headed out to the Indian Ocean. GPS would only need a couple of watts to overcome the real signal.  VOR 50 watt transmitter,  100 watts for the VHF com radio.   All those 20 austin tech nerdies done in without a trace....  Would not be that hard to do.

[Piloto]

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/04/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-australian-officials-very-close-to-finding-wreckage/

Oh Jose ... they are getting "pings" over WATER!

I can already hear the conspiracy theories ... "Terrorists disguised as searchers dumped the boxes into the water to mislead investigators, meanwhile the 777 is hidden in a hanger in Somolia ... "

... and for all we know ... that may be correct?

(In conjunction, if we find it, CNN will resume attempting to keep-up its image as an unbiased news agency that actually covers news ... sometime in early 2015?)

What the Malaysian government is going to say is that they have confirmed the plane is at 15,000 ft .But the pinger batteries ran out and is going to take years to find the plane. This will give clousure to the relatives and case is over.

 

Curious that they heard the pinger and could not find a single seat cushion or debris.

 

José 

[AndyFromCB]

I've pissed off a lot of people on this board before, so why not again. I hope Jose is a 12 year old kid with Microsoft Flight Simulator and a wild imagination. Because quite frankly, as much as the Brits rely on the big sky theory for flight separation, I do not want to be sharing my airspace with him.

 

Dude, whatever you're suffering from, thanks to modern medicine, I'm sure they have great pills for whatever ails your head. Seriously. Are you Tom Clancy testing your latest manuscript? 

[flyboy0681]

I've pissed off a lot of people on this board before, so why not again.

 

No need to get nasty about it.

[Marauder]

. Seriously. Are you Tom Clancy testing your latest manuscript?

That would be interesting since Tom Clancy died last October -- or did he? Only his publicist knows for sure. Sent using Tapatalk

[Piloto]

I've pissed off a lot of people on this board before, so why not again. I hope Jose is a 12 year old kid with Microsoft Flight Simulator and a wild imagination. Because quite frankly, as much as the Brits rely on the big sky theory for flight separation, I do not want to be sharing my airspace with him.

 

Dude, whatever you're suffering from, thanks to modern medicine, I'm sure they have great pills for whatever ails your head. Seriously. Are you Tom Clancy testing your latest manuscript? 

 

What pills you take? I'll be happy to give them a try. 

Be open minded. New theories and inventions are never in the books but on imaginative minds,

Imagination is what made mankind evolve beyond what was written on the Bible. Which BTW it always puzzle me how come someone write about life after death without going through the experience, that is wild imagination.

 

José

[N33GG]

What the Malaysian government is going to say is that they have confirmed the plane is at 15,000 ft .But the pinger batteries ran out and is going to take years to find the plane. This will give clousure to the relatives and case is over.

 

Curious that they heard the pinger and could not find a single seat cushion or debris.

 

José

I'm with Jose on this one! And I'll share the sky with him any time!

[CoachTom]

I was at the cleanup of TWA flight 800.

There was a mess both on the surface and on the sea floor. The debris field on the surface was enormous and covered many miles. The oil slick remained of both fuel and hydraulic for what seemed like weeks.

But yes, I cannot see an aircraft of that size, even exhausting it's fuel and not disintegrating upon impact releasing its contents of luggage, oils, and anything else in the interior....

If a satellite can find a piece of flotsam 80 feet long, how can they not see a floating pile of debris, shimmering with oil and fuel...

I don't know where it is, but the associated mess of an aircraft impacting the ocean is not evident...

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[Mooneymite]

I don't know where it is, but the associated mess of an aircraft impacting the ocean is not evident...

 

 

The lack of flotsam/jetsam leads to the possibility that the aircraft landed in one piece and did not break up, but just sank taking all the pieces/parts with it.  Think of how little separated from the USAir jet on the Hudson.

 

Two scenarios:  it was dead-stick landed by a human, or it was on autopilot and entered the water wings level and in a reasonable attitude.

 

However, there is a larger possibility that the wreckage just hasn't been located....or that it is in a hangar somewhere.  

[Piloto]

Something that puzzle me about the black boxes pinger is that they indicated that their detection range is no more than 3nm. But then how is possible that the pinger was detected at three different locations over 30nm away from each other. Just from the ocean bottom to the surface is over 2nm. If they are having  a hard time finding a sub that can go 15,000ft (7,000psi) how come a pinger or the black boxes survive a water pressure over 7,000psi. Wonder what kind of waterproof sealant they used on these boxes. At 7,000psi the oxygen tank in your Mooney will collapse even when filled with oxygen at 3,000psi.   

 

No one has indicated an ELT transmission from MH370. Unlike the old 121.5 Mhz ELT that needs to be on for about  an hour to get a fix  the new 406 ELT needs a fraction of a second to convey identity and location of the aircraft. The ELT on the B777 is tied to the master warning for automatic activation 20 seconds after a warning. For sure running out fuel would have activated the ELT or just the plane crashing. But no ELT signal from MH370 has been detected.

 

The fact that no crash evidence has been found and no ELT signal detected why assume the airplane has crashed. To me the fact of intentional shutting off the ACARS and transponder leads to a hijack scenario were the plane landed safely. And this is what the relatives believe. Which I don't blame them, if I had a love one onboard I would think the same way.

 

José

[flyboy0681]

Something that puzzle me about the black boxes pinger is that they indicated that their detection range is no more than 3nm. But then how is possible that the pinger was detected at three different locations over 30nm away from each other. 

 

You're not the only one. The so called "experts" didn't explain this one at all.

[yvesg]

Here is some more stretch of imagination: Why don't we get dolphins trained for finding blackboxes? These fantastic creatures would definitely be able to help pinpoint where they rest in much less time than what we are seeing now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dolphin

Yves

[Mooneymite]

Something that puzzle me about the black boxes pinger is that they indicated that their detection range is no more than 3nm. But then how is possible that the pinger was detected at three different locations over 30nm away from each other. 

 

Ha!  You need to study the way that sound is propagated in the ocean....

 

Ask those folk who flew ASW in P-3's.  Sound does crazy things in the water.  Sub skippers know their oceanography very well and know how to mask their presence by hiding either above or below the layer where the thermocline goes iso-thermal.  Sounds can be detected hundreds of miles away if the hydrophone is located properly with respect to the source and the water conditions are right.

 

Yes, under certain circumstances, a pinger might only be detectable 3 miles, but that would be a minimum under adverse conditions.

[flyboy0681]

Ha!  You need to study the way that sound is propagated in the ocean....

 

 

Can I assume that the signal from the pinger can't be triangulated? 

[Mooneymite]

Can I assume that the signal from the pinger can't be triangulated? 

 

The sound source can be triangulated, but because of the way sound travels, it might be detected clearly from one location 10 miles away, but can't be detected  from another, even closer location.  The towed arrays can get rough bearing lines on various sound frequencies, but water can be a difficult medium.

 

While it is a difficult medium, the science is well known and practiced.

[Piloto]

Here is some more stretch of imagination: Why don't we get dolphins trained for finding blackboxes? These fantastic creatures would definitely be able to help pinpoint where they rest in much less time than what we are seeing now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dolphin

Yves

That is an excellent idea but you would need a dolphin that could hold its breath at 15,000ft!!!

 

Maybe the old fashion technology will work here, just drag an anchor and pull up the wreckage when it gets stuck.

 

José 

[Piloto]

The sound source can be triangulated, but because of the way sound travels, it might be detected clearly from one location 10 miles away, but can't be detected  from another, even closer location.  The towed arrays can get rough bearing lines on various sound frequencies, but water can be a difficult medium.

 

While it is a difficult medium, the science is well known and practiced.

 

You are right. In air is easy to pinpoint direction. But I remember when scuba diving I could not sense the direction of sound. But maybe with wave phase interferometry techniques rather than amplitude differential a more accurate bearing can be obtained. Either way is too late for this one, batteries are dead.

 

José 

[Mooneymite]

You are right. In air is easy to pinpoint direction. But I remember when scuba diving I could not sense the direction of sound. But maybe with wave phase interferometry techniques rather than amplitude differential a more accurate bearing can be obtained. Either way is too late for this one, batteries are dead.

 

José 

Maybe, maybe not.

 

30 days is a minimum.  I suspect the pingers are still sounding, but just weaker.

 

While much has been speculated, there is actually not much hard evidence.

 

I have two questions:

 

Has anyone heard anything about deployment of Global Hawks in the Indian Ocean?  The only place I've heard of Global Hawks deployed in any significant number is not in the current "area of probability" for Flt 370.

 

Has anyone heard any reports from the US Navy which maintains a "listening watch" over much of the earth's oceans.  Back in the day, the U. S. Navy knew when a Soviet Sub flushed a toilet.

 

The official silence from the two best sources of information seems strange to me.

 

However, there may be an official reason for not divulging capabilites.  Either that, or the location is well known and this search is just cover-drama.

[Piloto]

You're not the only one. The so called "experts" didn't explain this one at all.

 

The other one I could not figure out is the sea state indicated by the news. If the sea is that rough how come I never see white caps on the search area. 

 

José