BigTex Posted October 24, 2013 Report Posted October 24, 2013 Also, don't automatically think that upgrading to the 201 windshield is a no-brainer. I dropped my plane off at Don Maxwell's with the full intention of have the 201 upgrade performed. I even had LASER standing by to send it out to Don. But after talking it over with Don and him showing me planes that had the mod, I elected to go with just the standard one piece windshield. Sure, you get the cool look, some additional speed and a perceived roominess but you give up a lot. In my 1965 C model, the instrument panel is not vertical like it is in the 201 thus it makes it much more difficult to do any work on the instruments. I also wasn't ready to give up the exterior instrument access panels. Coolness and speed is one thing but at the end of the day, maintainability won out... at least for me. 2 Quote
1964-M20E Posted October 24, 2013 Report Posted October 24, 2013 Also, don't automatically think that upgrading to the 201 windshield is a no-brainer. I dropped my plane off at Don Maxwell's with the full intention of have the 201 upgrade performed. I even had LASER standing by to send it out to Don. But after talking it over with Don and him showing me planes that had the mod, I elected to go with just the standard one piece windshield. Sure, you get the cool look, some additional speed and a perceived roominess but you give up a lot. In my 1965 C model, the instrument panel is not vertical like it is in the 201 thus it makes it much more difficult to do any work on the instruments. I also wasn't ready to give up the exterior instrument access panels. Coolness and speed is one thing but at the end of the day, maintainability won out... at least for me. Ditto my current F has the 201 windshield and I do prefer the instrument access I had on my former e model. Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted October 24, 2013 Report Posted October 24, 2013 You can do the cowl closure without doing the windshield. One has nothing to do with the other. Quote
aerobat95 Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 How often does one actually NEED to access their instruments from behind?? Granted someday I may but I have had my windshield for a couple years and don't miss the access.....I dont know to me the added speed and noise reduction far outweigh the percieved NEED to get behind the panel. Its not like we do panel upgrades every month or year..... 1 Quote
Bob_Belville Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 How often does one actually NEED to access their instruments from behind?? Granted someday I may but I have had my windshield for a couple years and don't miss the access.....I dont know to me the added speed and noise reduction far outweigh the percieved NEED to get behind the panel. Its not like we do panel upgrades every month or year..... I had the old windshield and panels to access the back of the radios. A royal pain which I do not miss. Lots of screws, panels ought be cleaned and resealed every time they come off (and they came off the check/fill hydraulic reservoir). With the 201 windshield and glareshield there is as good access, I think. Not that Mooneys are easy to work on... on either side of the firewall. Quote
BigTex Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 How often does one actually NEED to access their instruments from behind?? Granted someday I may but I have had my windshield for a couple years and don't miss the access.....I dont know to me the added speed and noise reduction far outweigh the percieved NEED to get behind the panel. Its not like we do panel upgrades every month or year..... I'm glad it's working out for you but it's more than a perceived need. I've been in there 3-4 times this year doing upgrades and fixing stuff. My last IFR certification I noticed that the shop has two prices depending on the windshield. The 201 style was almost twice. I have a PMA7000B setting In a box waiting to be installed. This will require pulling out the only intercom and doing some wiring behind the panel. Again, it's a personal choice both with pluses and minuses. For me, loosing that access was a big negative so I opted for the standard one piece. Others went with the 201 windshield that's fine too. My only point is if you decide to do the 201 style mod, go into it with your eyes open knowing what you give up and with a fist full of AMU's. Quote
Marauder Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 I had the old windshield and panels to access the back of the radios. A royal pain which I do not miss. Lots of screws, panels ought be cleaned and resealed every time they come off (and they came off the check/fill hydraulic reservoir). With the 201 windshield and glareshield there is as good access, I think. Not that Mooneys are easy to work on... on either side of the firewall. Another drawback on the 201 retrofit windshield is the limited access to the brake fluid reservoir. But I sure do like the look of it! Quote
fantom Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 Another drawback on the 201 windshield is the limited access to the brake fluid reservoir. But I sure do like the look of it! Not on modern 201's, where the brake reservoir is in the rear fuselage, over the battery. Quote
Marauder Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 Happy, I fixed it! The firewall location is a royal PIA if you ever need to bleed your brakes... Quote
fantom Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 Bleeding the brakes is always a PIA Quote
eaglebkh Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 Who says a J is an upgrade over an E?... ...my back seat passengers. 1 Quote
scottfromiowa Posted October 25, 2013 Report Posted October 25, 2013 Best of both worlds (windshield) if you have a SWTA mod. Too bad they don't make them anymore...anyone have to replace theirs? What did you do. Hoping to not have to do that with ours anytime soon. Quote
pinerunner Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 An engine monitor with data dump capability is the first upgrade I'd make if it didn't already have it. I got an EI UBG-16 and am quite pleased with it and the company's help with technical issues as well. Helping make LOP possible is a nice part but I think the troubleshooting power is even more important. Mike Busch has a great webcast that you can find through his website that gives you a good overview including detecting valve problems early. I've read online of sticky valves wearing down camshaft lobes and the owner of one of the M20's I was looking at told of one he knew of (he blamed it on LOP operations which I don't believe). An engine monitor, used right, would have caught that early and an IRAN on one cylinder instead of a total teardown to replace the camshaft would have saved $$$$. My dad got by without an engine monitor but I never want to. Quote
kmyfm20s Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 As far as air filter I was getting high silica with my oil samples. I checked the induction system and still had high silica on the following sample. I switched from a Bracket filter to a Donaldson and my silica went back down. It also claims a increase in airflow. When I had the filter off I wiped out all the oil residue that coated the intake left behind from the Bracket filters used over the years. 1 Quote
Marauder Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 As far as air filter I was getting high silica with my oil samples. I checked the induction system and still had high silica on the following sample. I switched from a Bracket filter to a Donaldson and my silica went back down. It also claims a increase in airflow. When I had the filter off I wiped out all the oil residue that coated the intake left behind from the Bracket filters used over the years. Those Brackett filter do leave a sticky mess, don't they? The area under the filter on my plane looks like my son after he got into the Nutell. Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted November 1, 2013 Report Posted November 1, 2013 You are supposed to squeeze the oil out before you install the filter. I put them between two paper towels and smash them flat. Quote
Shadrach Posted November 1, 2013 Report Posted November 1, 2013 yeah, but the oil still creeps aft in the airstream over time. I agree that a lot of brackett filters are over oiled... Quote
Marauder Posted November 1, 2013 Report Posted November 1, 2013 yeah, but the oil still creeps aft in the airstream over time. I agree that a lot of brackett filters are over oiled... I'm convinced the damn things are making their own oil... 1 Quote
meddesign Posted November 1, 2013 Report Posted November 1, 2013 So 2 weekends ago I flew into Rome (KRMG) and had a good chat with Joey Cole (Cole Aviation) Mooney shop. I asked a few questions about a couple of mods I am considering for this year annual. I was suprised to hear Joey tell me that what I was looking to do was a wast of money and wondered if anyone coule enlighten me as to why and/ or if you have made these mods and what you thought of them. Oh BTW very dissapointed in the turn out of Mooney guys that showed up (5) yes like FIVE one more than 4 and one less than 6...... I was looking to meet way more Mooney people than that. Ok here is the airplane info and intended mods. Stock (bone stock) 1966 M20E 200hp IO360A1A Lycoming with a 3 blade Hartzell prop Id like to replace the injectors with GAMI Id like to replace the intake/air filter assembly with the K&N Id like to do the cowl enclosure Id like to install the landing light cover Im not sure of any pros or cons to these and if its worth the investment or not. Thank you for any info Chris No to Gami No to K&N No to Landing Light Cover Yes to cowl enclosure The 3 blade is slowing you down. If you plan to run LOP (not necessary you know) you should have the expensive monitoring computer. Quote
pinerunner Posted November 4, 2013 Report Posted November 4, 2013 I'd make an engine monitor like a JPI 700 item number one. Mike Busch said that if his plane didn't have one he'd not walk but run to have one installed. They're vitally important to maintain and monitor the health of your engine. I agree with this totally. You need the monitor to evaluate your GAMI spread, decide whether you even need GAMI injectors, run LOP without shooting in the dark, and its great for catching engine problems early and saving $$$ in the long run. I threw in fuel flow on my EI UBG-16 and have been very pleased with it. Busch has a great video that you can find easily through his SavyAviator website in the archives. Free. I'm not sure how quickly it will pay for itself in reduced maintenance cost, but I bet within 5 years or so. I like the peace of mind knowing my CHT's are where they belong. you can also make a bunch of friends here by posting your numbers and asking a question; like bees (or bears?) to honey. Dave Quote
scottfromiowa Posted November 4, 2013 Report Posted November 4, 2013 No to Gami No to K&N No to Landing Light Cover Yes to cowl enclosure The 3 blade is slowing you down. If you plan to run LOP (not necessary you know) you should have the expensive monitoring computer. What is "the" expensive monitoring computer? I want to get me one of those. I had a $200 (ebay) GEM that gave me cylinder and exhaust gas info...traded up for a G3...but I want "THE" monitoring computer. It will go great with my slow 3-blade prop. Quote
Mooneymite Posted November 4, 2013 Report Posted November 4, 2013 As far as air filter I was getting high silica with my oil samples. I checked the induction system and still had high silica on the following sample. I switched from a Bracket filter to a Donaldson and my silica went back down. It also claims a increase in airflow. When I had the filter off I wiped out all the oil residue that coated the intake left behind from the Bracket filters used over the years. If the silica count goes up, the first place I'd look is the fit between the induction boot and the airbox. In time, the boot deforms and there's a gap above and below the airbox. I've tried several things to lessen/close the gap, but short of a new boot, or PK screws all around, I'm not sure what the fix is. Unfiltered air is a particular problem when flying off a grass field! Quote
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