How do you remove the rear seat in a 66E

[ELT]

Hi Guys,

The service book is no help on this.  Before I start taking stuff apart what is the simple method?

Thanks in advance.

Eddie

[N601RX]

My 67 F has reclining split rear seats.  There is a spring loaded pin on the outside corner of each seat that you pull and the seat back and seatbelts just lifts out. 

[Hank]

There are metal straps that hold the seat bottom in place. Take the back(s) off first to access them.

 

CAUTION:  back seats are much simpler and faster to remove than to re-install, based on my single experience. About ten minutes to get out, more than one sweaty hour getting put back in as a brand new owner. [The left side panel had to come out to run new coax when updating 430 to 430W.] Great intro to owner-approved maintenance . . . . .

[Bob_Belville]

You'll want to have taken out the front seats first!

The seat part is straightforward, remove the front panel and compress the seat while you unhook the upholstery rod from the clips. 

The back is a tight fit side to side with bolts on each end at the bottom and near the top. Take note of the way the seat belt clips attach and the washers and sleeves. After removing bolts you'll be able to maneuver the seat back out.

 

Be careful that the metal tabs on the ends of the seats don't scar your side panels as you remove and replace.

 

 

 

[flhelo]

My 67 F has reclining split rear seats.  There is a spring loaded pin on the outside corner of each seat that you pull and the seat back and seatbelts just lifts out. 

Mine is like this.The pins can be a pain to line up when re-installing.

[DrBill]

You'll want to have taken out the front seats first!

The seat part is straightforward, remove the front panel and compress the seat while you unhook the upholstery rod from the clips. 

The back is a tight fit side to side with bolts on each end at the bottom and near the top. Take note of the way the seat belt clips attach and the washers and sleeves. After removing bolts you'll be able to maneuver the seat back out.

 

Be careful that the metal tabs on the ends of the seats don't scar your side panels as you remove and replace.

 

 

 

I did not take the front seats out.. I moved them full forward.  The bottom is as Bob says.

The back:  Two bolts on each side top.  Hard to get to, easy to lose nuts and washers.  Have magnet ready.

  3 bolts on the bottom of back.  One each side with seat belt   One in middle with seat belt.

As Bob says.. BE CAREFUL when removing seat not to shred your side panels with the brackets that are on the top of the seats.

I think it took me 40 mins for each... removal and install and I was NOT in a hurry. (double the time if you are).

I took mine loose to take an air compressor to Fl. Then needed the seats in there to give rides after arrival.

 

BILL

[Jcmtl]

Does anyone have a trick to reinstall the seat back.

As you all know, you need to line up a bolt with a sleeve going through the seat belt clip and into a hole with a nut on the other side, all in a very cramped space designed for a 3 year old's hand. 

it took me 2 hours, a few cuts on my hand, a sore back and every swear word in my vocabulary the first time i did this.

[MMsuper21]

Does anyone have pictures of the seats removed? Previous owner removed the back seat and put in a flat bed some kind of wood covered with carpet. 

[RLCarter]

49 minutes ago, Jcmtl said:

Does anyone have a trick to reinstall the seat back.

As you all know, you need to line up a bolt with a sleeve going through the seat belt clip and into a hole with a nut on the other side, all in a very cramped space designed for a 3 year old's hand. 

it took me 2 hours, a few cuts on my hand, a sore back and every swear word in my vocabulary the first time i did this.

Sounds like you got it, might increase the vocabulary a little if your doing your own work . I’ve removed mine twice , it’s a pain

[47U]

1 hour ago, Jcmtl said:

Does anyone have a trick to reinstall the seat back.

I made two little nut plate assemblies (?) that slide behind the seat attachment structure.  Made it easier, but still not a fun job.

  

[Jcmtl]

8 minutes ago, 47U said:

I made two little nut plate assemblies (?) that slide behind the seat attachment structure.  Made it easier, but still not a fun job.

  

good idea.  i thought of using a tinnerman or something instead of the nut.  Getting the nut into position is the hardest part. 

[Andy95W]

4 hours ago, Jcmtl said:

 

it took me 2 hours, a few cuts on my hand, a sore back and every swear word in my vocabulary the first time i did this.

Well, it certainly sounds like you’re doing it correctly.

It does get easier and faster with practice.

[Jpravi8tor]

Not the best pictures but they are pictures 

[Ragsf15e]

20 hours ago, Andy95W said:

Well, it certainly sounds like you’re doing it correctly.

It does get easier and faster with practice.

Exactly what I wanted to say.  I think I’d have way better avionics and a less drafty back seat if I wasn’t afraid of getting the back seats out/in again to access the wire bundles!

[Shadrach]

3 hours ago, Jpravi8tor said:

Not the best pictures but they are pictures 

That area is/was definitely due for some attention. Vacuum, remove all of the duct tape, vacuum again, wipe everything down with MEK being sure to get rid of all the duct tape residue before resealing with proper aluminum tape.  Those panels are factory sealed with Aluminum tape, was it opened during your ownership?

[Jpravi8tor]

I should have noted that this area was just opened up after sitting for 20 years when the pics were taken, I have subsequently removed copious amounts of “Duct” tape vacuum Ed and cleaned rigorously 

[Jpravi8tor]

What’s up with all the duct tape everywhere? It’s literally everywhere, does anyone care to pontificate on the reasoning for sealing every nook and cranny with tape?!

 

[MMsuper21]

Gee thanks. I am afraid to open my can...

[47U]

50 minutes ago, MMsuper21 said:

Gee thanks. I am afraid to open my can...

Relax… it’s not personal.  They’re just trying to emphasize that metal tape is the standard on those panels… for all of us who need that reinforcement.  

Keep posting, keep asking questions.  

[MMsuper21]

1 hour ago, 47U said:

Relax… it’s not personal.  They’re just trying to emphasize that metal tape is the standard on those panels… for all of us who need that reinforcement.  

Keep posting, keep asking questions.  

Apologies that meant to be funny.

Looking forward to having that extra seat and not finding surprises under that carpet :-) 

Duct tape was standard issue on Apollo missions! 

 

 

[47U]

51 minutes ago, MMsuper21 said:

Apologies that meant to be funny.

  sorry, I might be a little more dense than most… ‘posting contests’ have been started for less.   

 

[Mooneymite]

11 hours ago, Jpravi8tor said:

What’s up with all the duct tape everywhere? It’s literally everywhere, does anyone care to pontificate on the reasoning for sealing every nook and cranny with tape?!

 

Every nook and cranny taped = low CO readings.

[Jpravi8tor]

My first thought exactly, are we trying to cut down on air infiltration or noise or both with the tape. Is carbon monoxide an issue with pre-J models?

parts availability sure is!

[A64Pilot]

1 hour ago, Jpravi8tor said:

My first thought exactly, are we trying to cut down on air infiltration or noise or both with the tape. Is carbon monoxide an issue with pre-J models?

parts availability sure is!

CO primarily, maybe cold air if you live up where it gets cold or fly up there. It’s an aircraft problem, PO’s IA sealed my Mooney well, I get about 1 PPM CO in taxi and zero in flight.

The C-210 would get CO in the cockpit on approach with her gear down, came in through the rear door gear wells. 

My 75 yr old C-140 with a firewall full of small holes and with windows open or closed gets zero CO

So it will vary from one aircraft to the next, only way I know to tell is to have a good electronic CO detector

Edited June 9, 2022 by A64Pilot

[MMsuper21]

During taxi CO2 gets really high on the ground 58ppm before taxi lean. During taxi in the 30s but 0 ppm during all phases of flight.