Price out this non-Mooney please

[KSMooniac]

If everything works and it isn't corroded, I think that is a solid deal. If the jugs only have 400 hours, you could likely run several hundred hours past the 1500 TBO before taking it down for an overhaul. You can upgrade the interior (if you wish) with a lot of DIY labor to keep the cost down.

If my choice were no plane by myself, or an old 210 with partners, well, I wouldn't want to be plane-less! You could probably do a LOT worse, presuming this one checks out. You could install a used 530W or 430W for well under 10k, especially if the 530 tray and antenna are still there.

[Mcstealth]

So I guess the general concensus is that the deal itself is okay money wise.

DF

[N601RX]

I noticed Lasar has an early model 210 on their website for sale. I think they had it listed for around 60K, with a note that the owner had just spend 25K on it.

[OR75]

A gps is not required so you dont need a 337 to remove it , just a log book entry...

I asked specifically that question to an FAA rep very recently (although it was about removing a LORAN = also not required)

The answer was, if the install was done with a form 337 , then the un-install needs to come with a form 337.

Agree it can seem dumb, but don't shoot the messenger.

[Mcstealth]

I just did the Vref on the AOPA web site. $32,650

[Alan Fox]

I asked specifically that question to an FAA rep very recently (although it was about removing a LORAN = also not required)

The answer was, if the install was done with a form 337 , then the un-install needs to come with a form 337.

Agree it can seem dumb, but don't shoot the messenger.

Gps installs that are not ifr certified dont require a 337 anymore , Log book entrys.... I actually saw an faa advisory stating that...

[carusoam]

Friends don't let friends fly slowly???

Do they?

Best regards,

-a-

[jetdriven]

Gps installs that are not ifr certified dont require a 337 anymore , Log book entrys.... I actually saw an faa advisory stating that...

I agree, and so does my IA. We did a VFR GPS install and no 337. Whether or not a 337 was issued to install the GPS, and they removed but left the tray, that's simple. It falls under the FAR that covers inoperative equipment and instruments. They must be deactivated and placarded INOP, or removed. Yours was removed.

Besides, a 337 is filed for a major alteration or repair. The aircraft was presumable returned to stock if they completely removed the GPS, tray and all. You are "major modifying" it back to stock, which requires no 337, its as delivered.

[OR75]

so you replace the GPS with the same one, this Cessna is not IFR equipped anymore ?

I believe for IFR you need 2 NAVs (GPS+VOR or VOR+ADF, etc ...) unless it is a WAAS GPS. Not sure the DME counts as a NAV. Maybe it does.

Is the KN64 standalone ?

Not a simple affair to remove a primary instruments. I suppose the GPS removed weigh more than 1 lb ?

[Lood]

Mission and budget always dictate, in the end. However, although I don't have any experience apart from a few hours in the right seat, here in SA the general feeling is that if you want to buy a C210, you should go for the '75 model or newer. Apparently, the older models can easily become a maintenance nightmare - especially in the undercarriage department.

Depending on how fast you want to go, how much you plan to carry and how much money you have to spend would determine the outcome. Personally, I would consider a few other options against a '60 C210.

[Alan Fox]

so you replace the GPS with the same one, this Cessna is not IFR equipped anymore ?

I believe for IFR you need 2 NAVs (GPS+VOR or VOR+ADF, etc ...) unless it is a WAAS GPS. Not sure the DME counts as a NAV. Maybe it does.

Is the KN64 standalone ?

Not a simple affair to remove a primary instruments. I suppose the GPS removed weigh more than 1 lb ?

For IFR you need the equipment required to navigate the enroute or approach..... A comm , 1 vor , a compass , and a clock with a second hand.....

[Alan Fox]

For IFR you need the equipment required to navigate the enroute or approach..... A comm , 1 vor , a compass , and a clock with a second hand.....

If you replace the gps in the same tray , with the same model gps , the plane still has a IFR certified GPS.....

[OR75]

If you replace the gps in the same tray , with the same model gps , the plane still has a IFR certified GPS.....

agreed. R&R is fine. anything else will require some level of paper work.

[Mcstealth]

Found out that the Garmin was a 500W ?? the tray is not in in the plane, but the antenna and wiring is.

[OR75]

makes sense. gns500w + ky97 is a good nav / com combo.

you need to find a 500w or makes sure you factor in a new gps and rewiring cost