What is it and where to get this plastic trim piece

[shawnd]

Trying to figure out what this is called and where I can buy this (click to enlarge):



It's the plastic piece that is keeping the door windlace piece in place as well as serving as an anchor for panels.

 

Thanks,
Shawn 

[N201MKTurbo]

I would just go to a plastic supplier and get a sheet of ABS. 
 

Plane Plastics would sell you a piece of plastic, but the shipping will kill you.

[shawnd]

I am referring to the gray curved plastic, not the panel. It's not ABS. 

[Falcon Man]

When I ordered my Spatial Interior Kit I bought the optional Silicone rubber window frame and panel edge trim: $2.00 per foot.

Their website shows it currently out of stock.

Jaeger Aviation is the source.

Jeff

 

1. Silicone rubber window frame and panel edge trim: $2.00 per f

[phxcobraz]

On 8/6/2024 at 11:19 AM, N201MKTurbo said:

I would just go to a plastic supplier and get a sheet of ABS. 
 

Plane Plastics would sell you a piece of plastic, but the shipping will kill you.

You have a good source for sheets of ABS? I have seen a few through the years and kinda wanna take a crack at replacing my interior side/hat shelf panels with basic ABS.

[shawnd]

@Falcon Man thanks, let me check with him.

[PT20J]

3 hours ago, Falcon Man said:

When I ordered my Spatial Interior Kit I bought the optional Silicone rubber window frame and panel edge trim: $2.00 per foot.

Their website shows it currently out of stock.

Jaeger Aviation is the source.

Jeff

 

1. Silicone rubber window frame and panel edge trim: $2.00 per f

I used Jaeger's trim around the window cutouts when I redid my interior. It is soft and I glued it to the back of the side panels with clear RTV. The original is harder plastic and I left mine in place for the areas around the windshield and door because it needs to hold the edge of the panel in place. I could not find a replacement for it. I believe that the original manufacturer is out of business. Maybe Frank Crawford at Mooney has a current supplier.

[shawnd]

The ideas here got me searching and I ran across this: https://vantageassoc.com/finishing-materials-window-beading-krbbeige-145.html Seems like the same type of product, potentially a bit wider.

[N201MKTurbo]

28 minutes ago, shawnd said:

The ideas here got me searching and I ran across this: https://vantageassoc.com/finishing-materials-window-beading-krbbeige-145.html Seems like the same type of product, potentially a bit wider.

If you are getting the beading from them, you might as well order any plastic sheeting you need too.

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, phxcobraz said:

You have a good source for sheets of ABS? I have seen a few through the years and kinda wanna take a crack at replacing my interior side/hat shelf panels with basic ABS.

https://plastifab.net/c/abs-sheets/

 

[N201MKTurbo]

3 hours ago, phxcobraz said:

You have a good source for sheets of ABS? I have seen a few through the years and kinda wanna take a crack at replacing my interior side/hat shelf panels with basic ABS.

I did the ceiling of my hat rack with aluminum and glued on some nice wool. About the same weight and it will last forever.

[Shadrach]

10 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I did the ceiling of my hat rack with aluminum and glued on some nice wool. About the same weight and it will last forever.

As in thin wood veneer or did you use thin strips like a tambour door?

[N201MKTurbo]

10 minutes ago, Shadrach said:

As in thin wood veneer or did you use thin strips like a tambour door?

It was just a sheet of aluminum cut the same size as the old plastic. I glued on some wool fabric that was the same color as the interior trim. You just remove the bezel and shove it in there. I made it out of 0.020 2024T3, so I could cut it out with a scissors.

Getting the sheetmetal from Spruce and the fabric from the fabric store (the one down in the bad part of town that has the burn certs) cost less than getting the plastic from Vantage.

[Shadrach]

9 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

It was just a sheet of aluminum cut the same size as the old plastic. I glued on some wool fabric that was the same color as the interior trim. You just remove the bezel and shove it in there. I made it out of 0.020 2024T3, so I could cut it out with a scissors.

Whoops...You typed wool but I read wood... I covered min in ultrasuede 10 years ago.

[shawnd]

@N201MKTurbo btw, I still have all my panels, I am just reinforcing them with fiberglass and applying a new coat of paint. I am hoping I don't need new plastic. 

[N201MKTurbo]

1 minute ago, shawnd said:

@N201MKTurbo btw, I still have all my panels, I am just reinforcing them with fiberglass and applying a new coat of paint. I am hoping I don't need new plastic. 

Good luck with your project.

 

[M20F-1968]

I do not think ABS plastic is a flame retardant material.  If it is flammable, you do not want to use much of it, and probably none of it within the cabin. 

Fiberglass parts can be made with antimony trioxide which makes the typical polyester resins flame retardant.  The parts can be hand laid-up.  You can also lay-up flat pieces of fiberglass and cut them after they are dry to make flat parts. They will be flame retardant. Fiberglass an be shaped while being formed, laid up over old parts, or over a clay mold,  or cut from flat pieces and used like ABS.  Also, don't forget aluminum where appropriate.

John Breda

 

[N201MKTurbo]

6 minutes ago, M20F-1968 said:

I do not think ABS plastic is a flame retardant material.  If it is flammable, you do not want to use much of it, and probably none of it within the cabin. 

Fiberglass parts can be made with antimony trioxide which makes the typical polyester resins flame retardant.  The parts can be hand laid-up.  You can also lay-up flat pieces of fiberglass and cut them after they are dry to make flat parts. They will be flame retardant. Fiberglass an be shaped while being formed, laid up over old parts, or over a clay mold,  or cut from flat pieces and used like ABS.  Also, don't forget aluminum where appropriate.

John Breda

 

What do you think all the original interior parts were made of?

[M20F-1968]

1 minute ago, N201MKTurbo said:

What do you think all the original interior parts were made of?

They were made of Royalite.  It too is likely flammable, but is much thinner than ABS.  The FAA discourages flammable parts inside the cabin.  

I made some fiberglass parts for my plane using polyester resin.  My DER asked that then use that part as a mold and made a new flame retardant part which is now in the plane (the nose wheel cover in an F model).

John Breda

[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, M20F-1968 said:

They were made of Royalite.  It too is likely flammable, but is much thinner than ABS.  The FAA discourages flammable parts inside the cabin.  

I made some fiberglass parts for my plane using polyester resin.  My DER asked that then use that part as a mold and made a new flame retardant part which is now in the plane (the nose wheel cover in an F model).

John Breda

Royalite is a brand of ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) that comes in all shapes, thickness, etc.

https://www.curbellplastics.com/product-category/material/abs/royalite/

 

[Fly Boomer]

46 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

Royalite is a brand of ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) that comes in all shapes, thickness, etc.

https://www.curbellplastics.com/product-category/material/abs/royalite/

 

Top of the first page on that website offers the following:

"ABS Royalite, Sheet, Beige 1811, Royalite® R59, Level Haircell, Fire-Rated, (0.09 in x 54 in x 94 in)"

Emphasis is mine.  At least some versions of ABS are "fire rated" whatever that means.

[N201MKTurbo]

[PT20J]

1 hour ago, Fly Boomer said:

Top of the first page on that website offers the following:

"ABS Royalite, Sheet, Beige 1811, Royalite® R59, Level Haircell, Fire-Rated, (0.09 in x 54 in x 94 in)"

Emphasis is mine.  At least some versions of ABS are "fire rated" whatever that means.

Data sheet for R57:

Royalite® R57 – thermoplastic sheet is a fire-rated, rigid ABS/PVC product
specifically developed to meet Federal Aviation Administration requirements. It
passes FAR 25.853b at 0.047" and above. It combines its light weight with very
high impact strength, high tensile strength and stiffness, and excellent formability
and ductility.

[M20F-1968]

8 hours ago, PT20J said:

Data sheet for R57:

Royalite® R57 – thermoplastic sheet is a fire-rated, rigid ABS/PVC product
specifically developed to meet Federal Aviation Administration requirements. It
passes FAR 25.853b at 0.047" and above. It combines its light weight with very
high impact strength, high tensile strength and stiffness, and excellent formability
and ductility.

 

10 hours ago, Fly Boomer said:

Top of the first page on that website offers the following:

"ABS Royalite, Sheet, Beige 1811, Royalite® R59, Level Haircell, Fire-Rated, (0.09 in x 54 in x 94 in)"

Emphasis is mine.  At least some versions of ABS are "fire rated" whatever that means.

 

8 hours ago, PT20J said:

Data sheet for R57:

Royalite® R57 – thermoplastic sheet is a fire-rated, rigid ABS/PVC product
specifically developed to meet Federal Aviation Administration requirements. It
passes FAR 25.853b at 0.047" and above. It combines its light weight with very
high impact strength, high tensile strength and stiffness, and excellent formability
and ductility.

 

11 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

Royalite is a brand of ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) that comes in all shapes, thickness, etc.

https://www.curbellplastics.com/product-category/material/abs/royalite/

 

I stand corrected.

John Breda

[00-Negative]

Haha. That's why I do more reading than posting. I would get corrected too much. This group has a very diverse spread of expertise.