Ppl in a Mooney?!?

[carusoam]

2 hours ago, jpschmidt said:

Now to make some mad...I have seen many that are real opinionated

Why would you include this in an otherwise helpful post?

Having a bad day?

 

1) Not everybody is the same…

2) Different back grounds…

3) Different ages…

4) Different experience levels…

5) Different amounts of free time…

6) Different amounts of dough available…

7)  MS is about inclusivity…

8) Sharing opinions… is natural around here…

 

Blasting other MSers probably doesn’t achieve what you were trying to do… be helpful? 
 

Maybe you were calling one of my friends opinionated and not me….  Hmmm…
 

Mom always said… be nice to everybody…

 

MS is smaller than you think… MS is on the internet… it isn’t the usual internet… 

PP opinion only, not a guidance counselor…

Best regards,

-a-

[Justin Schmidt]

17 hours ago, carusoam said:

Why would you include this in an otherwise helpful post?

Having a bad day?

 

1) Not everybody is the same…

2) Different back grounds…

3) Different ages…

4) Different experience levels…

5) Different amounts of free time…

6) Different amounts of dough available…

7)  MS is about inclusivity…

8) Sharing opinions… is natural around here…

 

Blasting other MSers probably doesn’t achieve what you were trying to do… be helpful? 
 

Maybe you were calling one of my friends opinionated and not me….  Hmmm…
 

Mom always said… be nice to everybody…

 

MS is smaller than you think… MS is on the internet… it isn’t the usual internet… 

PP opinion only, not a guidance counselor…

Best regards,

-a-

Why because it is a real thing where people try and scare new owners/new pilots from entering the market, getting their own plane and learning in it. I had no less then 10 older pilots 6 being Mooney pilots that it is a horrible idea to learn in a Mooney, that I won't learn how to fly, that I will die such and such.
I say it how it is, if you don't like it tough. I rather help others that are looking into this than worry about feelings of nay-Sayers

[Mufflerbearing]

1 hour ago, jpschmidt said:

Why because it is a real thing where people try and scare new owners/new pilots from entering the market, getting their own plane and learning in it. I had no less then 10 older pilots 6 being Mooney pilots that it is a horrible idea to learn in a Mooney, that I won't learn how to fly, that I will die such and such.
I say it how it is, if you don't like it tough. I rather help others that are looking into this than worry about feelings of nay-Sayers

I love Mooney Space because it's civil and a place to learn.  There are so many wise owners/pilots that are so willing to share their point of view.  Do I agree with all of them all of the time?  Probably not, but I learn from every one of them.  Being civil will give your thoughts and feelings validity and others may even listen and may even agree.

On this point, I happen to agree with your premise.  I learned how to fly, took my ppl test and my IFR in my Mooney.  Incredible plane.  Is this way of doing things necessarily the best way?  For some, you bet.  It did for me.  For others, maybe not so much.  

 

[carusoam]

5 hours ago, jpschmidt said:

Why because it is a real thing where people try and scare new owners/new pilots from entering the market, getting their own plane and learning in it. I had no less then 10 older pilots 6 being Mooney pilots that it is a horrible idea to learn in a Mooney, that I won't learn how to fly, that I will die such and such.
I say it how it is, if you don't like it tough. I rather help others that are looking into this than worry about feelings of nay-Sayers

jp,

I think you may be misunderstanding many of the posts people write….

Most people around here are not professional writers…

 

There is not a lot of negativity intentionally written…

It surely sounds that way often…

 

If we beat up every poorly written post…

People will stop offering their valid opinions…

 

Nobody likes getting told they don’t write very well…

Sometimes their writing style won’t match yours….  You won’t know why, until you get to know the writer…

 

Let me capture your attitude for a moment…

”I say it how it is, if you don't like it tough. I rather help others that are looking into this than worry about feelings of nay-Sayers”

1) You have missed how it really is…

2) I’m not a big fan of your tough boy attitude… not a good way to make friends…

3) You are not helping out other people, by pointing out other people’s flaws…

4) You aren’t hurting anyones feelings either… your writing is typical of what you are disappointed by in others on MS….

 

5) You have been here less than a year… you have managed to write a half dozen posts… with a high percentage of them complaining about other people…

See if you can get situated into the community…

It is better than having people hit the ignore button on you…

The objective is to make MS are more pleasant place…

so people don’t mind posting their challenging questions…

 

Mom always said…  If you don’t have anything nice to say…  
 

You probably just don’t know who is doing the writing, what their background is, why they wrote it the way they did….

Are they 20 or 80…

From the West coast, east coast, Europe, or Asia….

Are they CFIIs, or just PPs….

Have they trained other people to learn to fly in a Mooney?

Have they trained to fly in a Mooney?

Were they on a CB budget, short on time?

Were they more fortunate to have excess dough, and plenty of time…

Sooo many different types of people that come to MS to ask all different types of questions…

 

It is incredibly hard to know how to answer a person’s question so they don’t feel insulted… without getting to know something about them…

 

How do you get to know your audience… before giving an answer?

Or do you just give it your best shot…?

 

Think before you write…  if it starts with a rant about how ya don’t care… save the effort…

Focus on fitting in… there is a lot of Mooney information around here… it is worth the effort…

PP thoughts only, not a professional team builder…

 

Best regards,

-a-

 

 

 

[A64Pilot]

Just about every training school starts with a smaller, less complex aircraft and graduates pilots into more complex aircraft as they progress. Look at the WWII pilot training program as an example, started in Cubs and advanced through AT6’s before moving on, yes that took longer than if they were taught in their final aircraft and time was very critical then yet it was taken. Why didn’t they skip the cubs and Stearman’s and start at least in the AT6?

My experience started with a TH-55, a tiny Hughes piston powered helicopter, then advanced to the Huey for instruments and then the OH-58 to be a scout, then finally the AH-64.

Later the TH-55 was dropped and people started in the Huey, didn’t take too long to decide that while that  saved money and time it was a mistake, you just couldn’t bounce and bang a Huey around like a TH-55 and there was a lot left unlearned.

They even pushed a class or two through very advanced complex full motion simulators to see if 
real” aircraft were actually necessary then learned that while the sim classes could pass a checkride there was a lot left unlearned.

So yes of course you can get your private license in a Mooney, I’m sure some have in twin turbines, but you won’t have the depth of knowledge or experience you woud have by flying several different airframes, each different aircraft will teach you something.

Edited March 5, 2022 by A64Pilot

[carusoam]

Some people often step back from their Mooney to train on a simple taildragger or glider to pick up the additional experience those planes have to offer…

For a different level of extreme… I think Yankee’s great Thurmon Munson was learning to fly in a jet…. Because he could…

One advantage of training in a trainer… you can follow a known path that is tried and true…. The path is well worn, and easy to recognize, when you have left the path…

training in a HP aircraft… it may be difficult to tell if it is the student, the plane, or the instructor that has homework to do to get back on the path…

Choose your tools, get back to work!

PP thoughts only…

-a-

[whiskytango]

1 hour ago, carusoam said:

For a different level of extreme… I think Yankee’s great Catfish Hunter was learning to fly in a jet…. Because he could…

Anthony, you may be referring to Thurman Munson.  He died in a crash while practicing landings in his Citation 1 (SP).  According to Wikipedia, this was his 4th plane in about 1.5 years...Because he could... 

[carusoam]

Thanks Ken!

really hard to write and fact check while out of the house, using a tiny screen… 

Power management with an older jet must be interesting….

With throttle response being a bit slow…

Being low and slow on approach will be eye opening after you push the throttles forward….and wait as the seconds tick by….

Yikes…

-a-