salty Posted January 31, 2022 Report Posted January 31, 2022 Our beloved N79396 was totaled on 1/1 when we had to make an emergency landing in an orange grove. Good news is we were not harmed, she protected us well, so we're shopping for a replacement / upgrade. 1 Quote
salty Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Posted January 31, 2022 Ha. Living in Florida I'm kind of leaning toward the Ovation. But we travel a lot, so the Bravo has it's advantages for sure. Quote
GoldFingerM20R Posted February 2, 2022 Report Posted February 2, 2022 On 1/31/2022 at 9:13 AM, philip_g said: Once you go turbo you'll never want to go back. Until you see the maintenance bill lol 1 2 Quote
carusoam Posted February 2, 2022 Report Posted February 2, 2022 I went from a 65 M20C to a 94 O1… with 310hp…. I don’t have any Orange grove experience… but the transition to a high powered, NA, O1 was pretty seamless…. With the O, you just get more Mooney…. If I wanted to focus my life more on flying… I’d go Acclaim… Best regards, -a-, 2 2 Quote
JohnB Posted February 6, 2022 Report Posted February 6, 2022 On 1/31/2022 at 8:13 AM, philip_g said: Once you go turbo you'll never want to go back. Haha I’m in that class for sure. I would NOT be interested in trading for a non turbo airplane. I love my Bravo and the multiple flight missions I can accomplish that I could not do with an Ovation. That said, I live in California where there are mountains to get over routinely, and love flying in the non congested flight levels , but I’ve lived in FL and realize there are NO mountains there so an ovation is not a bad choice if your flying is mostly in Florida and not traveling to mountainous terrain, or flying over 10k feet, and you will save money on fuel costs with a similar speed advantage at low altitudes less than 10k. It’s just that a Bravo is such a good deal nowadays in price compared to an Acclaim if you really want an airplane that you won’t need to trade up. Ok, I could go 10-15 knots faster in an Acclaim, but at a price increase of over 600k. If I win the lotto, I might think about upgrading to an Acclaim but if I was going to spend that kind of dough , I’d probably want a pressurized turbo airplane. So cannulas and masks work fine for me! 2 1 Quote
philip_g Posted February 6, 2022 Report Posted February 6, 2022 45 minutes ago, JohnB said: Haha I’m in that class for sure. I would NOT be interested in trading for a non turbo airplane. I love my Bravo and the multiple flight missions I can accomplish that I could not do with an Ovation. That said, I live in California where there are mountains to get over routinely, and love flying in the non congested flight levels , but I’ve lived in FL and realize there are NO mountains there so an ovation is not a bad choice if your flying is mostly in Florida and not traveling to mountainous terrain, or flying over 10k feet, and you will save money on fuel costs with a similar speed advantage at low altitudes less than 10k. It’s just that a Bravo is such a good deal nowadays in price compared to an Acclaim if you really want an airplane that you won’t need to trade up. Ok, I could go 10-15 knots faster in an Acclaim, but at a price increase of over 600k. If I win the lotto, I might think about upgrading to an Acclaim but if I was going to spend that kind of dough , I’d probably want a pressurized turbo airplane. So cannulas and masks work fine for me! It's tough to match any of the turbo mooneys for price and speed. There are nicer airplanes. There are faster airplanes. There are cheaper airplanes. I can't think of one that's all three 1 Quote
JohnB Posted February 6, 2022 Report Posted February 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, philip_g said: It's tough to match any of the turbo mooneys for price and speed. There are nicer airplanes. There are faster airplanes. There are cheaper airplanes. I can't think of one that's all three Quite true all. When I was in your shoes, I wanted to buy an airplane that I could upgrade to my liking, that I would not want to trade for a new one in 3-5 years, as you don’t get back most of the money you spend on upgrades. That’s my Bravo. As long as you get an airplane that will accomplish your missions as you fly them, you should be good! Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 6, 2022 Report Posted February 6, 2022 I'm not so sure a Bravo is significantly more expensive to own than an Ovation for the simple reason that the market is pricing the Ovation significantly more expensive than the Bravo. Fuel and turbo and overhaul are more costly on the Bravo. But if there is say a 100k hull value difference in otherwise comparable airframes...I would seriously likely go Bravo since - mmmmmm turbo....fast.... 1 Quote
salty Posted February 6, 2022 Author Report Posted February 6, 2022 Just now, aviatoreb said: I'm not so sure a Bravo is significantly more expensive to own than an Ovation for the simple reason that the market is pricing the Ovation significantly more expensive than the Bravo. Fuel and turbo and overhaul are more costly on the Bravo. But if there is say a 100k hull value difference in otherwise comparable airframes...I would seriously likely go Bravo since - mmmmmm turbo....fast.... Are you confusing the Ovation with the Acclaim? I'm not finding a big difference in pricing at all, but I'm finding more Bravo's on the market. For a few seconds.... 1 1 Quote
JohnB Posted February 7, 2022 Report Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, salty said: Are you confusing the Ovation with the Acclaim? I'm not finding a big difference in pricing at all, but I'm finding more Bravo's on the market. For a few seconds.... Holy moly you’re right. Just looked on controller and the Bravos are listing from $160k to $240k range, where as the ovations start at $220k to $406k. Really? https://www.controller.com/listings/search?Category=6&ModelGroup=OVATION|TLS%2FBRAVO&Manufacturer=MOONEY that last ovation is probably overpriced but wow, if you ever want to consider going faster, and can get appropriate training, would seem like Bravo might be a good buy right now. Edited February 7, 2022 by JohnB 1 Quote
Schllc Posted February 7, 2022 Report Posted February 7, 2022 Most used piston planes seem to at least keep up with inflation with regard to values, as long as they are maintained and not damaged. They seem to sell pretty close to what you pay for them with adjustments for upgrades or use. If financing isn’t the limitation, I’d say buy the newest , most capable plane you could afford that suits your mission. turbos, require more frequent oil changes and a nominal amount more to maintain, but you’re going faster all the time too so it’s merely a trade off. im in the camp of once you have a turbo you don’t want to go back. I enjoy the options it provides me, and it’s worth the trade off for me. the bravo has really seen values rise since the pandemic. while I haven’t owned one, And only have a few hours in bravos, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one. the ovation is a very capable plane as well and either is a fine choice. Quote
carusoam Posted February 7, 2022 Report Posted February 7, 2022 Once you go turbo… Once you go six cylinders… Once you go 310hp… You probably went Acclaim! Turbine and pressurization are extra… a lot extra… Go Mooney! -a- 2 Quote
Steve Dawson Posted February 8, 2022 Report Posted February 8, 2022 What sort of equipment are you looking for and what years? Quote
salty Posted February 8, 2022 Author Report Posted February 8, 2022 That question seems to be for people that have options. I'm not finding much of anything for sale at all in the Bravo / Ovation series. Everything on Controller or trade-a-plane is sold except for the ridiculously overpriced one with ancient avionics. Honestly, I can work with any Bravo / Ovation as long as it's priced appropriately. 2 Quote
Schllc Posted February 28, 2022 Report Posted February 28, 2022 There is a lonely little ovation at KAPF N505WM. the owner fell into years of arrears with the airport, i spoke to him once when looking, and he was amenable to selling, then went dark, put a brand new engine and prop on it, and didn't pay the shop until they litigated... Anyway, its here, not flying, and moving around the airport as the airport needs to. it has functional avionics, and where is saw the paint compounded it looked like it was salvagable. The interior is very tired, but it needs a home. I can't find the guys contact info, but he owns some sort of avionics business, I think it was in Georgia. you will have to do what i did at the time and trace the registration. Or the folks at the airport may give it to you. I have a feeling they would like to be rid of the plane.... Good Luck! Quote
LANCECASPER Posted February 28, 2022 Report Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Schllc said: There is a lonely little ovation at KAPF N505WM. the owner fell into years of arrears with the airport, i spoke to him once when looking, and he was amenable to selling, then went dark, put a brand new engine and prop on it, and didn't pay the shop until they litigated... Anyway, its here, not flying, and moving around the airport as the airport needs to. it has functional avionics, and where is saw the paint compounded it looked like it was salvagable. The interior is very tired, but it needs a home. I can't find the guys contact info, but he owns some sort of avionics business, I think it was in Georgia. you will have to do what i did at the time and trace the registration. Or the folks at the airport may give it to you. I have a feeling they would like to be rid of the plane.... Good Luck! N505WM used to belong to Western Michigan University, This may be helpful since it's the info about the registered owner: http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/corporationsearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=ForwardList&searchNameOrder=ANDREWAIRCRAFTSALES L190001893740&aggregateId=flal-l19000189374-02ad591d-96ef-46e9-8151-a5c030ad6a75&searchTerm=ANDRE V POLIDORI HOLDING%2C LLC&listNameOrder=ANDREWACONNOLLY P020000130190 https://www.fastpeoplesearch.com/name/mark-farr_selmer-tn-38375 https://www.fastpeoplesearch.com/ronald-farr_id_G9221216525948490725 Quote
Schllc Posted February 28, 2022 Report Posted February 28, 2022 I don’t think that’s the owner. I want to say his name was Andrew, but it definitely wasn’t mark farr. Quote
LANCECASPER Posted March 1, 2022 Report Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Schllc said: I don’t think that’s the owner. I want to say his name was Andrew, but it definitely wasn’t mark farr. The first link takes you to Andrews Aircraft Sales LLC info. The Farrs are the officers of that LLC. Quote
xcrmckenna Posted March 1, 2022 Report Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) On 2/8/2022 at 3:57 PM, salty said: That question seems to be for people that have options. I'm not finding much of anything for sale at all in the Bravo / Ovation series. Everything on Controller or trade-a-plane is sold except for the ridiculously overpriced one with ancient avionics. Honestly, I can work with any Bravo / Ovation as long as it's priced appropriately. Hey Salty, Sorry about your plane but very happy you and your passengers were safe. I’m in the same boat as well. Last July a guy hit my plane hand propping it and the insurance just recently decided they would buy out the plane. Go to hell Old Republic…. Sorry I’m still bitter. But for years I’ve been wanting a Bravo because I live in eastern Oregon. In my 201 I have crossed the Rockies numerous times but it would be much better to cross them higher than 15,000, the MEA’s around here are 11,000 and 9,000 so I figured that puts me in the turbo side. but recently I had a friend buy an ovation 3 with FIKI and he’s very impressed. Florida gets weather the Bravo will be able to get you up and over easier and like you said you travel often so if I was you I would still hedge to the Bravo. And I would lean even more that way if you plan on breaking through icing with a FIKI Bravo. I do love the cowl inlets of the ovation though. Sexy and sleek. I will happily pass you notes on any west coast bravos or ovations I look at if I can get east coast notes:) Charles Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited March 1, 2022 by xcrmckenna Quote
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