Dutch Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 I am about to buy a M20E. I am concerned. The seller (IA and friend of the owner) and I shook hands on the commitment to buy the Mooney and when I came back 2 day later he had switched the new Scimitar Prop out with the old original factory prop. I am questioning the deal now. a) do I walk away? b) who can I get in the Kansas City region to do my pre-buy? thank you Dutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lloyd Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Ask yourself the question, what else are they not telling me? If you didn't know and weren't told previously, they tried to screw you for several thousand dollars right there. Walk. No, run. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, David Lloyd said: Ask yourself the question, what else are they not telling me? If you didn't know and weren't told previously, they tried to screw you for several thousand dollars right there. Walk. No, run. Ditto ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNIndy Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 I would walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron McBride Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Run, a new scimitar prop is $10,000 maybe more. The seller is full of……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 I would have a frank talk with the seller and make certain the seller understands that the prop switch is troubling, and indicative of very shady business. If the seller doesn't step up to make it right hard I'd not walk, but run away. Not really happy when folks misrepresent things. Lots of Mooneys out there with honest owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammdo Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Run.. Something is not right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Dutch said: I am about to buy a M20E. I am concerned. The seller (IA and friend of the owner) and I shook hands on the commitment to buy the Mooney and when I came back 2 day later he had switched the new Scimitar Prop out with the old original factory prop. I am questioning the deal now. a) do I walk away? b) who can I get in the Kansas City region to do my pre-buy? thank you Dutch I’d move on. Even if they return the airplane to the configuration that you agreed to, they’ve shown their true colours. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver LFA Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Dutch said: I am about to buy a M20E. I am concerned. Listen to your inner voice, sounds sketchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammdo Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Post the N Number just in case someone else wants info on it.... -Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Dutch said: I am about to buy a M20E. I am concerned. The seller (IA and friend of the owner) and I shook hands on the commitment to buy the Mooney and when I came back 2 day later he had switched the new Scimitar Prop out with the old original factory prop. I am questioning the deal now. a) do I walk away? b) who can I get in the Kansas City region to do my pre-buy? thank you Dutch I’d walk as there’s zero trust in this deal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriscalandro Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 What is the N Number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Run! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danb Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Dutch said: I am about to buy a M20E. I am concerned. The seller (IA and friend of the owner) and I shook hands on the commitment to buy the Mooney and when I came back 2 day later he had switched the new Scimitar Prop out with the old original factory prop. I am questioning the deal now. a) do I walk away? b) who can I get in the Kansas City region to do my pre-buy? thank you Dutch Don’t walk..run like hell.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammdo Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Could 'moon walk' backwards -- with style -- out of it ;o)... -Don 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Something isn’t ready… Either the OP completely mis-understood what was for sale, and what wasn’t… and what the price is… Or somebody forgot how to sell machinery…. Picture what is for sale, with a price, and a list of exclusions… So… let’s say this is your first plane purchase…. Visit a known Mooney seller’s site…. See how they cover all the details of what you get for your money… See what they have for reviews of their service… on line. +1 for a fancy moon-walk in the opposite direction. call it a learning experience… there are more to come… Buying machinery takes experience to be comfortable with everything… For fun, take a look at this website… https://www.gmaxamericanaircraft.com Try to find two planes that are similar… competition, as a buyer, will work in your favor… PP thoughts only, not a plane sales guy… Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 No connection with this deal, so anything I say here is pure speculation. The only E model I could find in Kansas or Missouri is this one, linked from TAP. (Looking for a prebuy in Kansas City, I'm making a wild guess that the plane is in one of those two states.) https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?listing_id=2395533 I don't see a fancy scimitar prop in those photos, but I do wonder whether the prop referenced by the OP was a misunderstanding (they had swapped out the prop for maintenance or whatever). If you really like the plane, it's probably worth one conversation with the seller just to see if there is an innocent explanation. Have your running shoes handy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammdo Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 14 hours ago, hammdo said: Could 'moon walk' backwards -- with style -- out of it ;o)... -Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Posted August 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 I appreciate confirmation of walking/running. I was willing to pay the big $ on a pre-buy. The owner just called me and stated that nobody will touch that airplane…so yes, I’m running! Tail number N79823 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeBee Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Going to have a hard time selling without allowing a pre-buy. Sounds like someone is looking for an unknowledgeable buyer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 I appreciate confirmation of walking/running. I was willing to pay the big $ on a pre-buy. The owner just called me and stated that nobody will touch that airplane…so yes, I’m running! Tail number N79823Last flight was in 2016!? And only 20 minutes long! NFW would I waste my time on it.One reason I prefer to work with professional brokers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammdo Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Or well known sellers... -Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said: Last flight was in 2016!? And only 20 minutes long! NFW would I waste my time on it. One reason I prefer to work with professional brokers. Most of my flights don't show up on FlightAware either. Doesn't mean that it isn't flying, or me either. But leaving this one be is good idea for other reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Most of my flights don't show up on FlightAware either. Doesn't mean that it isn't flying, or me either. But leaving this one be is good idea for other reasons. I have the settings to show position flights (code for flights squawking 1200). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said: I have the settings to show position flights (code for flights squawking 1200). So do I, but all of them don't show up. Then again, out here in the boonies, I don't always get flight following. Can't reach ATL until a couple thousand feet agl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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