Gagarin Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) Cheaper and lighter than TKS. Works on harder environments than flying in icing conditions. Just spray it on the wing when season start for a full season coverage. Edited November 8, 2019 by Gagarin 1 1 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 OK, Who's the first test pilot to give it a go? Leave the last foot of the wing unprotected and shoot us a picture of like 2" of ice on the unprotected wing and the rest clean. Quote
Gagarin Posted November 8, 2019 Author Report Posted November 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: OK, Who's the first test pilot to give it a go? Leave the last foot of the wing unprotected and shoot us a picture of like 2" of ice on the unprotected wing and the rest clean. I have tested it in Florida on my hangar refrigerator and so far no ice sticking on the wet surfaces. Will try it on my next trip to KAGC. 1 Quote
jetdriven Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 Report back with photo proof please. Quote
ArtVandelay Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 Here we go again. Hey, last time it was WD40. Does anyone have a wind tunnel? My guess is it will wear off after 1-2 flights of precipitation hitting it at 200 mph. Probably better than nothing, I would not call it a FIKI solution.Tom Quote
jetdriven Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 Or an hour into flight. And then crash. But hey, saved a bundle. 2 Quote
RLCarter Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said: I would not call it a FIKI solution. Neither would the FAA Quote
Jerry 5TJ Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said: ....I would not call it a FIKI solution. Well, FIKI = flight INTO known icing. Does not say that you will fly OUT.... 4 1 4 Quote
John Myers Posted November 8, 2019 Report Posted November 8, 2019 The fundamental problem seems to be that anything that will shed ice won’t stick to the wing to start with. Same problem they have with getting Teflon to stick to the pan (I think they bake it on). Maybe glue a wick to the leading edge and light it in the cockpit and it will melt the ice as it goes. One time use only. Or better yet detcord. 1 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 53 minutes ago, John Myers said: The fundamental problem seems to be that anything that will shed ice won’t stick to the wing to start with. Same problem they have with getting Teflon to stick to the pan (I think they bake it on). Maybe glue a wick to the leading edge and light it in the cockpit and it will melt the ice as it goes. One time use only. Or better yet detcord. Detcord? That might actually work! A one shot emergency get out of jail free card. You could put a tiny thread like detcord under a piece of leading edge tape. These guys look like they could make it! https://psemc.com/products/shielded-mild-detonating-cord/ Looks like it has already been tried! https://patents.google.com/patent/US2930554A/en Lets see if Mooneyspace deletes the name? Eric Ciaramella 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Gagarin said: Cheaper and lighter than TKS. Works on harder environments than flying in icing conditions. Just spray it on the wing when season start for a full season coverage. Let the winter season discussions begin. Quote
Cody Stallings Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 Gonna go ahead an get the King Size Popcorn warming up. The S*** is about to get deep. 2 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Cody Stallings said: Gonna go ahead an get the King Size Popcorn warming up. The S*** is about to get deep. Just getting ready for happy hour! Quote
aaronk25 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 I should have had that coming back from Phoenix to MN non-stop this past Wed. It was -10c and I still can’t believe how much and how quickly accumulated. If it was -5f I wouldn’t have went into the clouds. So not to proud I got into the crap but I sure as hell did something about it like “RIGHT NOW”! I’m starting to think about selling my J for a TKS equipped turbo. Anyhow pretty cool that a J can cruise from PHX to RST (Rochester MN) non stop at FL190 and theoretically land with 2 hours of fuel left! Unfortunately the ice made me divert, as I was almost home. It ran across my mind this is how a accident happens, long flight so close to home.....get out of this crap. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 8 Quote
ilovecornfields Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 Wasn’t there an STC to use the pilot relief tube to evenly distribute warm urine across the leading edge of a wing to melt the ice? I know when my dog used to pee in the snow it seemed to melt pretty quickly so I can’t imagine why it wouldn’t work. Seems like you would just need a couple of bottles of Gatorade and you could get at least a few “shots” of deicing. 2 6 Quote
BradB Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jerry 5TJ said: Well, FIKI = flight INTO known icing. Does not say that you will fly OUT.... Looks cheaper than ICE-X. I’ll have to check and see if it is safe for rubber boots. For the TKS, guys -those of us with boots have the joy of buying really expensive slippery stuff to help the boots shed ice. But it does need to be reapplied after flying in the rain or in any flight that it would actually need to be used. But a plus is that it makes the boots nice and shiny. And I still carry a garden sprayer filled will TKS in the plane with me. That way I can De-Ice myself on the ground for those quick turns that require a quick up and down through icing in the winter. bradb former acclaim Meridian N951TB 1 Quote
Gagarin Posted November 9, 2019 Author Report Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Just don't fly into known icing but into not known icing conditions like an ignorant. Edited November 9, 2019 by Gagarin Quote
tigers2007 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 I would have thought that the thin layer electric leading edge solutions would have picked up popularity and lead to cheaper costs. Imagine getting a non-FIKI electric leading edge wrap that could save your bacon for less than a few grand. Incorporate the alternator solution that fits where a mag used to be, etc. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Quote
EricJ Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 Or do like the jets do and run hot engine air through the leading edges. Shouldn't be that tough to split the exhaust and run it through the front of both wings. Yes, I keed... Quote
INA201 Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 How about this one. https://www.oceanit.com/products/aeropel Quote
Gagarin Posted November 9, 2019 Author Report Posted November 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, INA201 said: How about this one. https://www.oceanit.com/products/aeropel Looks impressive. Where do you buy it? Quote
carusoam Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 So...DuPont website doesn’t mention use on Mooneys.... It does mention automotive under carriages... And clearly says don’t use it on windows... http://www.performancelubricantsusa.com/product/snow-and-ice-repellent.php I was hoping to see something about being safe for paint... no luck... It does have one thing in common with TKS fluid... don’t step on any surface that has been covered in it... it will be slippery... Highly un-recommended by a mere PP... FIKI is nice, FOFI is most important... Flight Out of Found Ice... anyone can fly into it... Thanks to Aaron, for the awesome pic... and great example of awesome decision making... Best regards, -a- Quote
Gagarin Posted November 9, 2019 Author Report Posted November 9, 2019 Maybe you want to try this one Quote
Gagarin Posted November 9, 2019 Author Report Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) I personally have used Rain-X only on the wings for my trips to KAGC. I know it works when the windshield is frosted and no ice or frost on the wings. First time I used noticed a 5 kts TAS speed increase. Easy to apply like a wax and leaves a shinny surface look. The treatment last about two months. You can get it at PeP Boys. Very happy with it. Edited November 9, 2019 by Gagarin Quote
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